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Rwill said:
I don't agree with it necessarily being a sign. If a player is a long term player, do teams normally pick up the 5th year option or do they just negotiate a longterm contract? I think he is fighting for value, not so much his job. The 5th year option is valued higher than he is right now.
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Why didn't they do that with Mariota then?
 
His ceiling is ABC coming in here and telling everyone for 6 months how he pulled the wool over our eyes and the extension he gets is going to destroy the franchise.

His floor is ABC gets such a raging boner he has to be hospitalized and can't post at all.
 
Rwill said:
I don't agree with it necessarily being a sign. If a player is a long term player, do teams normally pick up the 5th year option or do they just negotiate a longterm contract? I think he is fighting for value, not so much his job. The 5th year option is valued higher than he is right now.
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If a player is in your long term plans and you know it already, you extend him BEFORE he hits his 4th year...as in they'd be signing Conklin to a long term contract BEFORE this season. Do you think THAT is happening? I don't.

If a player is potentially a long term player but you're not sure...then you weigh the value of a long term contract versus his 5th yr option vs how good of a player he is. Right now Conklin has 2 solid years but not great. Last season was terrible and he was vastly outplayed by his backup. Based on that, you don't sign him to a long term deal and you don't pick up his 5th year option because both are more than you want to spend on a solid player...and we're not even sure what he is. So you let him play out this year and see where you're at. But I don't think the Titans want to make him the highest paid RT in the NFL. Would you right now?

That leaves us to the last point. Any time you're on a final year, you're fighting for 2 things. This year's playing time and a new contract. Considering he was awful last year...be it due to injuries or whatever...he's gonna have to earn his spot - especially considering how well Kelly played filling in for him.

When you get hurt and your replacement plays better than you did...you're fighting for a job!!! NFL stand for Not For Long!!!
 
Rwill said:
So sometime soon we will pick up the 5th year option on Byard and then work on a long term contract?
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They will if they can't extend him. But I'm pretty sure the Titans already know they want to keep him, so they are likely gonna work out an extension prior to needing to pick up the option. But if they can't work out a deal...they'll either pick up the option or franchise him...whichever is cheaper.

Point is, Byard is not fighting for his job. He has had a very big season and has played well overall. He's locked in his role.

Conklin is not.
 
Rwill said:
Because they would have had to sign him to a long term deal last season. Using the 5th year option gives them one more year to decide.
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When they signed Tannehill, why didn't they just cut Mariota and save the $20mil?
 
Gut said:
They will if they can't extend him. But I'm pretty sure the Titans already know they want to keep him, so they are likely gonna work out an extension prior to needing to pick up the option. But if they can't work out a deal...they'll either pick up the option or franchise him...whichever is cheaper.

Point is, Byard is not fighting for his job. He has had a very big season and has played well overall. He's locked in his role.

Conklin is not.
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The team has no option on byard, as only first rounders have that.
 
TitansWrath said:
The team has no option on byard, as only first rounders have that.
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Yeah Vondy already mentioned that. But my point is the same. Most likely they would try to sign Byard to an extension (not a new contract) before his 'option' year which would be the year he'd be a RFA. This is because they don't want him to sniff free agency and already know they want to keep him.

With Conklin, they don't know yet.
 
Ten_Titans said:
His ceiling is ABC coming in here and telling everyone for 6 months how he pulled the wool over our eyes and the extension he gets is going to destroy the franchise.

His floor is ABC gets such a raging boner he has to be hospitalized and can't post at all.
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lmaoooooo

hit the nail on the head
 
I actually think that he could have a good season. People assume that I hate Mariota, because I say that I hate Mariota. But he excels in certain situations, and struggles in certain situations. Those situations are just flipped relative to the QBs in the rest of the league.

He's good under pressure (when he throws), at 3rd and long, in crucial late game situations. But poor at 3rd and short, in a clean pocket, etc.

They brought in Tannehill, whether you people believe it or not, to keep that fire lit underneath him and to keep him sharp every play. If we can get 4th quarter Mariota on every play, combine that with a significantly improved supporting cast, he may look like a star.

It's been a while, so people forget the difference. But this guy could play:

 
abc2330 said:
I actually think that he could have a good season. People assume that I hate Mariota, because I say that I hate Mariota. But he excels in certain situations, and struggles in certain situations. Those situations are just flipped relative to the QBs in the rest of the league.

He's good under pressure (when he throws), at 3rd and long, in crucial late game situations. But poor at 3rd and short, in a clean pocket, etc.

They brought in Tannehill, whether you people believe it or not, to keep that fire lit underneath him and to keep him sharp every play. If we can get 4th quarter Mariota on every play, combine that with a significantly improved supporting cast, he may look like a star.

It's been a while, so people forget the difference. But this guy could play:

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I don't think RT was brought in to light a fire under Mariota. He doesn't need extra motivation. RT was brought in as insurance in case Mariota gets hurt again which is a legitimate issue.
 
PRAY IV M3RCY said:
I don't think RT was brought in to light a fire under Mariota. He doesn't need extra motivation. RT was brought in as insurance in case Mariota gets hurt again which is a legitimate issue.
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His work ethic is not the problem. His issue is getting anxious and second guessing himself and what he's seeing. But that all kind of disappears when there is no room for error. With another starting QB behind him, they are hoping that he stays focused and has that mindset in practice and on every down

It's the same mindset as the Henry ordeal last year. He was benched for Flu, rumored to be on the trade block, and you suddenly see a different player. Some guys just don't have the alpha or chip on the shoulder mindset and have to be motivated in a different way.
 
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Rwill said:
That is a great question. They most certainly should have.
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Yea, that would have really changed the situation. Instead of Mariota, we have tannehill. I’ll call that a wash.
Then the whole backup situation but with tannehill as starter. Cassel again? Gabbert some more? Unknown QB?

Wouldn’t have made much sense to do that at all.
 
Rwill said:
That is a great question. They most certainly should have.
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Why? Mariota has a CHANCE to be a franchise QB and has a higher ceiling than Tannehill. Unless they are convinced Mariota can't play as well as he did in '16, why dump him? They have Tannehill to back him up or takeover were he to play worse.

If you brought Drew Lock or someone like that in here and forced them to start from day 1, we wouldn't be looking at the playoffs this year. Not a good gamble.

This way, we see what Mariota can do. He does great...it works out. He does poorly, tannehill takes over and we still have a chance...and then draft a new guy next year in a better QB class.

Sounds like a good plan!
 
abc2330 said:
His work ethic is not the problem. His issue is getting anxious and second guessing himself and what he's seeing. But that all kind of disappears when there is no room for error. With another starting QB behind him, they are hoping that he stays focused and has that mindset in practice and on every down

It's the same mindset as the Henry ordeal last year. He was benched for Flu, rumored to be on the trade block, and you suddenly see a different player. Some guys just don't have the alpha or chip on the shoulder mindset and have to be motivated in a different way.
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Not really. When JRob says come in and compete and push...he doesn't mean compete to take his job...but rather a daily competitive situation. Tannehill will throw it better than gabbert so Mariota will have a better measuring stick on a daily basis. It will keep him more engaged.

Mariota's issues tend to be 3 things. Mechanics - mostly footwork which was revamped last year. Combine the 'new' mechanics with him getting injured so early and you have a recipe for inconsistency. But mechanics is one issue he needs to work on. Second is protection. When you're frequently running for your life, it's hard to consistently focus on staying ion the pocket and having the confidence you'll have the time to run thru your reads. Lastly is staying healthy. That is accomplished in a variety of ways and the Titans need to use them all...from playcalling (more quick passing game) and use playaction for shot plays with max protect, a strong run game, and getting Mariota to get rid of the ball faster this year....more checkdowns when there's pressure to keep him healthier.

Another way to help him is strategically. I've mentioned this is several places, but if we use a 3 wr set as our base formation, it puts defenses in a bad situation. Stop henry out of Nickel, or stop a 3 wr set with a base D (only 4 secondary players). Gives our playcalling an immediate advantage as whatever the defense does, we have mismatches in either the run or passing game. Also, with a 3 wr set, how you spread people out gives the QB an easier read (one of the reasons Mariota is better in 2 min).

The Colts did this with great success with Luck last year (the get rid of the ball faster, quick game, max protect shot playaction, improve ol) and the Rams have been in 11 personel like 90% of the time and this is a big reason for Gurley and Goff's success!
 
abc2330 said:
I actually think that he could have a good season. People assume that I hate Mariota, because I say that I hate Mariota. But he excels in certain situations, and struggles in certain situations. Those situations are just flipped relative to the QBs in the rest of the league.

He's good under pressure (when he throws), at 3rd and long, in crucial late game situations. But poor at 3rd and short, in a clean pocket, etc.

They brought in Tannehill, whether you people believe it or not, to keep that fire lit underneath him and to keep him sharp every play. If we can get 4th quarter Mariota on every play, combine that with a significantly improved supporting cast, he may look like a star.

It's been a while, so people forget the difference. But this guy could play:

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Yo, Henry wore #2 that season??
 
abc2330 said:
I actually think that he could have a good season. People assume that I hate Mariota, because I say that I hate Mariota.
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No, that's not an assumption, it's an opinion based upon what YOU have said. Like when you said the Titans were going to draft Drew Lock in the 1st round, don't be surprised when you get called out on some of your ridiculous statements.

I have no idea what you're thinking about when you make posts like this, but I ASSUME it's probably something like this:

 
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