Guest viewing is limited

Welcome To The HFBM Boards
Hockey, Football, Baseball & MMA

Status
Not open for further replies.
all the lewan stuff is overwrought. he is not why we are losing games and if we lost him it would be a huge blow.
 
I’m against trading starters that will be here next season. We aren’t THAT far out of a quick turn around IF we land the right QB.

I’m all for tanking at this point. Most important position needs addressed, no sense in pushing our pick back further when basically every franchise hinges on landing a quality QB.
 
Until I see how things look with Tannehill playing for a week or two it is hard to make this choice.
 
Delanie Walker to the Pats makes a lot of sense, imo. They were in on Hump too before he signed. The Pats should be interested in either one. But I don't know how smart it is trade a player that just signed a FA deal with you a few months ago. Certainly discourages future FA's signings.

One rumor for the Pats is Jonathon Jones plus a 2020 5th rounder for Eifert. I would think Delanie is more valuable than that, considering his production and much better track record of health.

Logan Ryan has been pretty tremendous this year and will be a FA next year. Corner is always a hot commodity, so I think we'd get good value here. Adoree has also quietly had a pretty amazing year in coverage, at least according to PFF, where he ranked 17th prior to Sunday. I assume he's still around the same now. I'd rather not trade him, but he could absolutely net you a high pick.

Edge rushers are also always a highly coveted position so Cameron Wake could likely net a decent pick.

As for what these guys are worth from a draft pick stand point I have no clue, though I strongly believe Adoree would have a 1st round value on him.
 
Delanie Walker to the Pats makes a lot of sense, imo. They were in on Hump too before he signed. The Pats should be interested in either one. But I don't know how smart it is trade a player that just signed a FA deal with you a few months ago. Certainly discourages future FA's signings.

One rumor for the Pats is Jonathon Jones plus a 2020 5th rounder for Eifert. I would think Delanie is more valuable than that, considering his production and much better track record of health.

Logan Ryan has been pretty tremendous this year and will be a FA next year. Corner is always a hot commodity, so I think we'd get good value here. Adoree has also quietly had a pretty amazing year in coverage, at least according to PFF, where he ranked 17th prior to Sunday. I assume he's still around the same now. I'd rather not trade him, but he could absolutely net you a high pick.

Edge rushers are also always a highly coveted position so Cameron Wake could likely net a decent pick.

As for what these guys are worth from a draft pick stand point I have no clue, though I strongly believe Adoree would have a 1st round value on him.


Um :huh:
 
I'm not sure what you're asking.

Not really asking anything TBH.. Just shocked you would think Jackson has 1st round value, that Hump would be in discussion for a trade and that Cam Wake has trade value.
 
Who then plays LT for the Titans? You think things are bad now, see how it goes with Kelly (who is a RT) out there for the next 10 games.

I just don't get the logic of complaining about the OL and then wanting to trade the LT.

Because that LT isn’t doing chit except penalties. He can contribute by giving us a pick for less (or the same) penalties. Lewan is a big fake clown that needed PED’s to play above average. And his media circus persona got him a lot of hype that wasn’t backed by merit.
 
I would explore trading Lewan just because I wonder if his value will ever be higher than it is now again (it's not even that high, I just mean I think it will almost certainly get lower).

Just a hunch, but I bet any new coach is likely to get tired of Lewan's constant BS and I fear that the Titans will end up eventually cutting him or trading him for basically nothing.

Lewan’ s performance is already decreasing off the PEDs. His trade value is as well. Move him now.
 
I’m against trading starters that will be here next season. We aren’t THAT far out of a quick turn around IF we land the right QB.

I’m all for tanking at this point. Most important position needs addressed, no sense in pushing our pick back further when basically every franchise hinges on landing a quality QB.
Metthead
 
Because that LT isn’t doing chit except penalties. He can contribute by giving us a pick for less (or the same) penalties. Lewan is a big fake clown that needed PED’s to play above average. And his media circus persona got him a lot of hype that wasn’t backed by merit.
Breathe in slowly. Exhale. Repeat.

Lewan is guaranteed $50M as part of his new deal. If he were to be traded, the Titans take a cap hit of over $39.3M. Wait until next year and that number is still $22.6M.

You say he's underperforming. I agree. So why would any team in the NFL want to take on his current deal? The Titans would have to eat a bunch of it AND draft a LT in the first (instead of a QB) or take the top LT who becomes a free agent who won't be anywhere close to the talent Lewan is and likely overpay.

It's okay to be angry at Lewan. He screwed the pooch getting caught with PEDs and isn't playing well. He needs to STFU and play football. But there's no way in hell he'll get traded.
 
Breathe in slowly. Exhale. Repeat.

Lewan is guaranteed $50M as part of his new deal. If he were to be traded, the Titans take a cap hit of over $39.3M. Wait until next year and that number is still $22.6M.

You say he's underperforming. I agree. So why would any team in the NFL want to take on his current deal? The Titans would have to eat a bunch of it AND draft a LT in the first (instead of a QB) or take the top LT who becomes a free agent who won't be anywhere close to the talent Lewan is and likely overpay.

It's okay to be angry at Lewan. He screwed the pooch getting caught with PEDs and isn't playing well. He needs to STFU and play football. But there's no way in hell he'll get traded.
There is no doubt in my mind (before the preseason) that Lewan was being vastly overpaid. The problem is, he is an above average LT and they don't grow on trees. I seriously doubt we could have let him go, then went out and replaced him with someone as good or better for the same price range. We most likely would not be able to do better and we most certainly could have done worse.
 
Breathe in slowly. Exhale. Repeat.

Lewan is guaranteed $50M as part of his new deal. If he were to be traded, the Titans take a cap hit of over $39.3M. Wait until next year and that number is still $22.6M.

You say he's underperforming. I agree. So why would any team in the NFL want to take on his current deal? The Titans would have to eat a bunch of it AND draft a LT in the first (instead of a QB) or take the top LT who becomes a free agent who won't be anywhere close to the talent Lewan is and likely overpay.

It's okay to be angry at Lewan. He screwed the pooch getting caught with PEDs and isn't playing well. He needs to STFU and play football. But there's no way in hell he'll get traded.

That’s fair enough. But you can you honestly tell me you wouldn’t trade him if somebody offered a 1st? We’re in a 3-5 year window again with a QB replacement IMO- that cap hit doesn’t scare me at all. And I’d need to research who takes the cap on in today’s trades- I’m not sure you’re accurate with the statement we have his cap hit for two years after a trade.
 
Breathe in slowly. Exhale. Repeat.

Lewan is guaranteed $50M as part of his new deal. If he were to be traded, the Titans take a cap hit of over $39.3M. Wait until next year and that number is still $22.6M.

You say he's underperforming. I agree. So why would any team in the NFL want to take on his current deal? The Titans would have to eat a bunch of it AND draft a LT in the first (instead of a QB) or take the top LT who becomes a free agent who won't be anywhere close to the talent Lewan is and likely overpay.

It's okay to be angry at Lewan. He screwed the pooch getting caught with PEDs and isn't playing well. He needs to STFU and play football. But there's no way in hell he'll get traded.

Tanking and trading vets for anything of significant value are not happening. This thread is nothing more than a fantasy.
 
Not really asking anything TBH.. Just shocked you would think Jackson has 1st round value, that Hump would be in discussion for a trade and that Cam Wake has trade value.

Jackson has been legit a shutdown corner this year according to PFF. He is young, and has 2 more years on his rookie contract. He better have a 1st round cost. Hump and Wake are more late round values. I mean we got a 7th rounder for Taywan Taylor. Pretty sure a couple useful vets like Hump and Wake could at least net a 6th rounder.
 
Jackson has been legit a shutdown corner this year according to PFF. He is young, and has 2 more years on his rookie contract. He better have a 1st round cost. Hump and Wake are more late round values. I mean we got a 7th rounder for Taywan Taylor. Pretty sure a couple useful vets like Hump and Wake could at least net a 6th rounder.
Wow, you're right. He's allowed 12 receptions during the entire year.
 
That’s fair enough. But you can you honestly tell me you wouldn’t trade him if somebody offered a 1st? We’re in a 3-5 year window again with a QB replacement IMO- that cap hit doesn’t scare me at all. And I’d need to research who takes the cap on in today’s trades- I’m not sure you’re accurate with the statement we have his cap hit for two years after a trade.
The cap numbers I quoted are based on his signing bonus already paid to Lewan. When you trade a player, you have to pay off the entire amount instead of spreading it over the length of the contract. The smaller number was if they did the trade after the start of the new NFL year.

Though I can't imagine why someone would give up a high first for Lewan since you say he stinks, has no future and they'd have to take on his contract, I guess it would depend how early in the first. The Titans would need to draft a LT and a talent of Lewan which is easily a top 10 pick. That kills the opportunity to draft a QB with that pick if the goal is to upgrade Lewan.

You think JRob is an average GM now, imagine if he were to do this.
 
How much do you think it would realistically take for Carolina to part ways with Cam Newton? He may be washed up. However IF (and it's a big fat if), he can really get back to being fully healthy, he is serviceable enough and can make plays on his own to put this team, at least somewhat, on track this year. I think that is the only way we save this season, otherwise we end up sucking but still winning enough games to not draft a difference maker. Then for 2020 we decide between and keep either him or Tannehill to start, while whomever is the waiting rookie (Burrows?) waits their turn.

I honestly think this would automatically be the best offense Cam has been a part of, at least since Steve Smith forever ago. Think about it. Who was he been throwing to? Greg Olsen was legit but has been hurt. Aside from Olsen and just recently McCaffrey, the Panthers never really had legit weapons on the outside or a running game to depend on. David Funchess, Kelvin Benjamin, and Jonathan Stewart? Come on. Even with our struggles, this might also be the best offensive line he's played with.

I'm not saying I'd pull the trigger, but I'd be curious to know if he can get back to 100% and what offers the Panthers would entertain.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Back
Top