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TitanJeff said:
The cap numbers I quoted are based on his signing bonus already paid to Lewan. When you trade a player, you have to pay off the entire amount instead of spreading it over the length of the contract. The smaller number was if they did the trade after the start of the new NFL year.

Though I can't imagine why someone would give up a high first for Lewan since you say he stinks, has no future and they'd have to take on his contract, I guess it would depend how early in the first. The Titans would need to draft a LT and a talent of Lewan which is easily a top 10 pick. That kills the opportunity to draft a QB with that pick if the goal is to upgrade Lewan.

You think JRob is an average GM now, imagine if he were to do this.
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JRobs average azz got us into this OL mess. my opinion of him doesn’t matter but since u brought it up, cleaning up the mess he made wouldn’t lower it regardless of a single year cap hit if we got something in return.

You act like big contract players can’t and have never been traded. Happens a lot. Good GMs can parlay a short term hit into something big down the road. And sometimes u just eat the cap hit to get a player out of the locker room.

I do agree Lewan’s extension now looks astronomically stupid by JRob. And that it’s very unlikely he can recover ANYTHING respectable in return.
 
TitanJeff said:
Since it happens "a lot", want to share an example?

JRob's deal made trading Lewan impossible.
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don’t care that much about debating - it DOES happen, Bettina, Favre, Steve Young, Faulk, Dickerson, Tunsil (recently), Montana, Dickerson and others

But I agree. JRob has put us in a bad way with the current OL UNLESS Tannehill will pull the trigger quickly and get these Run blitzes cooled off. That alone may get our line performing at least to 50% the performance to match our investment
 
Riverman said:
don’t care that much about debating - it DOES happen, Bettina, Favre, Steve Young, Faulk, Dickerson, Tunsil (recently), Montana, Dickerson and others

But I agree. JRob has put us in a bad way with the current OL UNLESS Tannehill will pull the trigger quickly and get these Run blitzes cooled off. That alone may get our line performing at least to 50% the performance to match our investment
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Why did he extend Ben Jones. Hire Art to be the OC. Made some huge draft misses. He sucks.
 
If Simmons ain’t the truth , Jrob should definitely pack it up . I think Simmons is official though.
 
SalmonSlayer said:
Why did he extend Ben Jones. Hire Art to be the OC. Made some huge draft misses. He sucks.
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We all know why Art is the OC. It has been said over and over. To give the failed Mariota experiment one last chance.

I am really curious, now that Art has a qb that can make throws if our offense opens up or if we are still going to do the -2 yard bubble screens and 5 yard throws.
 
Rwill said:
We all know why Art is the OC. It has been said over and over. To give the failed Mariota experiment one last chance.

I am really curious, now that Art has a qb that can make throws if our offense opens up or if we are still going to do the -2 yard bubble screens and 5 yard throws.
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No change is my guess. But I hope to see AJ and Delanie get the ball more, those two are the truth here.
 
Young54 said:
How much do you think it would realistically take for Carolina to part ways with Cam Newton? He may be washed up. However IF (and it's a big fat if), he can really get back to being fully healthy, he is serviceable enough and can make plays on his own to put this team, at least somewhat, on track this year. I think that is the only way we save this season, otherwise we end up sucking but still winning enough games to not draft a difference maker. Then for 2020 we decide between and keep either him or Tannehill to start, while whomever is the waiting rookie (Burrows?) waits their turn.

I honestly think this would automatically be the best offense Cam has been a part of, at least since Steve Smith forever ago. Think about it. Who was he been throwing to? Greg Olsen was legit but has been hurt. Aside from Olsen and just recently McCaffrey, the Panthers never really had legit weapons on the outside or a running game to depend on. David Funchess, Kelvin Benjamin, and Jonathan Stewart? Come on. Even with our struggles, this might also be the best offensive line he's played with.

I'm not saying I'd pull the trigger, but I'd be curious to know if he can get back to 100% and what offers the Panthers would entertain.
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I've had this thought as well. He'd have to get healthy, but he'd be an improvement,
 
TitanJeff said:
Since it happens "a lot", want to share an example?

JRob's deal made trading Lewan impossible.
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OBJ, AB, Mack was on his rookie contract but part of that stipulation was to sign a new one, so it counts.


Lewan being on a big contract, conflicts things.

what complicates things even more, is that he isn’t that good of a player.
 
Scarecrow said:
OBJ, AB, Mack was on his rookie contract but part of that stipulation was to sign a new one, so it counts.


Lewan being on a big contract, conflicts things.

what complicates things even more, is that he isn’t that good of a player.
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Ive said Lewan and Conklin were one of the most overrated oline players in the league for a few years now and people are quick to jump to their PPF stats.

As bad as Mularkey was, he was able to mask our weaknesses on the interior line and provided alot of help.
 
Rwill said:
We all know why Art is the OC. It has been said over and over. To give the failed Mariota experiment one last chance.

I am really curious, now that Art has a qb that can make throws if our offense opens up or if we are still going to do the -2 yard bubble screens and 5 yard throws.
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I'd eager to see if Tanne can throw some GD slants to keep the LB's on their heels and some SLGO's to keep the safeties where they are supposed to be. I'm SO OK w/ a few INT's from Tannehill if he'll release quick AND TAKE SOME FKing chances to let our WR's go get the ball.
 
Daqueef said:
Ive said Lewan and Conklin were one of the most overrated oline players in the league for a few years now and people are quick to jump to their PPF stats.

As bad as Mularkey was, he was able to mask our weaknesses on the interior line and provided alot of help.
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yes- which isn't really a good thing. It masked where we still needed help. As somebody else pointed out, it is apparent now why we always reverted back to 3 TE sets despite multiple different OC's.
 
We can risk a pick maybe 2 because our D is stout . I would love to see our passing game get going , it would give the entire team an immediate lift .
 
TitanJeff said:
Since it happens "a lot", want to share an example?

JRob's deal made trading Lewan impossible.
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I had a look and the cap hit if Lewan is traded would only be $6.6m, unless I am missing something.

Tennessee Titans Salary Cap Calculator | Over The Cap

Also, I beleive Marcel Dareus was on a big deal when he was traded to Jax.

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it looks like Dareus was on a huge contract and ths Bills took a giant cap hit

Marcell Dareus Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

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Extend: Conklin, Tannehill, Henry, Ryan, Sims, Firkser
Trade: Lewis, Butler, Walker
Sign: Eric Ebron, Bradley Roby,
Draft: All in for QB
Euthanize: Douglas
 
The Hammer said:
I had a look and the cap hit if Lewan is traded would only be $6.6m, unless I am missing something.

Tennessee Titans Salary Cap Calculator | Over The Cap

Also, I beleive Marcel Dareus was on a big deal when he was traded to Jax.

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it looks like Dareus was on a huge contract and ths Bills took a giant cap hit

Marcell Dareus Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

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My problem is that I doubt Lewan will ever be anything close to what he was on the PEDs. I just see him drawing penalties and running his mouth. I think he is at max value to us right now.
 
Scarecrow said:
OBJ, AB, Mack was on his rookie contract but part of that stipulation was to sign a new one, so it counts.


Lewan being on a big contract, conflicts things.

what complicates things even more, is that he isn’t that good of a player.
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I'm not saying big name players can't be traded. I'm saying, because of his contract, Lewan can't.
 
TitanJeff said:
I'm not saying big name players can't be traded. I'm saying, because of his contract, Lewan can't.
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Without a no trade clause, anybody can be traded. But I hear what you’re saying- there is near zero likelihood the Titans will ever trade in a cap unfriendly move.
 
Riverman said:
My problem is that I doubt Lewan will ever be anything close to what he was on the PEDs. I just see him drawing penalties and running his mouth. I think he is at max value to us right now.
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Well, there is another issue with PEDs too. Typically there is a massive hangover effect when someone stops using them. When MLB started to crack down on PEDs, players caught had a horrible season after. Then, did better the following year.
 
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