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I see what you are saying, I just think the question is totally irrelevant when you are talking about punishment.

If you whip out a gun and kill somebody in a parking lot... The judge and jury are not going to care that he called you a ***** 5 seconds before.

As far as the Pouncey thing, I suppose you could make a similar case for him, but I understand the leniency when he just watched someone take a kill shot at his QB.
I think that’s why Rudolph didn’t get suspended. I’d have to watch the whole thing again to see the kick to the nuts but if that’s the case, Rudolph did more than just call Garrett a name which should be considered more for the suspension, even if it’s just 1 game.
I know those little cheap shots happen all the time, but when caught, they do get flagged and pending the severity, a fine. I think it should be considered towards the escalation into what Garrett did.
 
You could see Rudulph yelling bitch at the people that sacked him the 2 plays before.

For what that is worth.
 

Here’s the entire video. Ignore the guy talking and skip the first 2 plays although they probably play a factor in whatever Rudolph may have said due to some frustration.

It appears Garrett is holding him well after he threw it but no real reason why, then takes down Rudolph. Rudolph then tries to pull Garrett’s helmet off (who knows maybe to swing it at him first lol) then when garret is standing up/being grabbed by the ref and steeler OLman, Rudolph’s foot is already on his junk. Looked like it may have gotten kind of tangled/stuck but could have also been like pushing sort of like a kick.
EDIT: he clearly puts his foot on Garrett to push him back, maybe unintentionally on his wiener.

After that is when most other videos pickup to show Garrett’s reaction, watch the gif on page 1.
 

Don’t like the guys voice and it’s a long video with some irrelevant stuff added, he ultimately does a really good break down for why Rudolph should not be off the hook entirely. He started the fight and lost, unfortunately Garrett also used a weapon.
 
Nut grabbing and helmet pulling happen literally week to week. Assault with a deadly weapon does not.

and?

It was helmet pulling until pouncy and DeCastro jumped in and started the shoving.

don’t get me wrong- Garrett’s actions inexcusable. But Steelers started and escalated it. They ARE culpable in this situation also. And to say otherwise is BS.
 
and?

It was helmet pulling until pouncy and DeCastro jumped in and started the shoving.

don’t get me wrong- Garrett’s actions inexcusable. But Steelers started and escalated it. They ARE culpable in this situation also. And to say otherwise is BS.
Arent they all being suspended and/or fined for what they did?
 
and?

It was helmet pulling until pouncy and DeCastro jumped in and started the shoving.

don’t get me wrong- Garrett’s actions inexcusable. But Steelers started and escalated it. They ARE culpable in this situation also. And to say otherwise is BS.
Come on. Garrett threw Rudolf to the ground well after he got rid of the ball, then landed on him. That right there is a penalty for roughing the passer. Garrett started the whole thing.
 
Come on. Garrett threw Rudolf to the ground well after he got rid of the ball, then landed on him. That right there is a penalty for roughing the passer. Garrett started the whole thing.
He didn’t land on him, the “hit” was as he got rid of the ball but Garrett kind of weakly took rudolph down. Rudolph then started trying to pull garrett’s Helmet off.

The ref watching the “hit” was about 5-10 ft away and felt there was no roughing penalty and I completely agree. If a flag was thrown, this would have been another fan attack on the league for weak penalties on the QB.
 
Come on. Garrett threw Rudolf to the ground well after he got rid of the ball, then landed on him. That right there is a penalty for roughing the passer. Garrett started the whole thing.

yes but that’s debatable and even so in the realm of normal footbal, albeit grounds for a penalty. Face mask Twisting, nut kicking, ?racial slurs, and kicking/punching are not.

again my only point is to say that the Steelers (Rudolph, Pouncy and DeCastro) are also culpable in the initiation and escalation of that incident. It isn’t ENTIRELY on Garrett like some were suggesting.

my point is NOT to defend or justify Garrett’s actions. He was wrong to respond how he did.
 
This is what you said-



That’s what I responded to. Garrett tackled him, Rudolph kicked him in the nuts in the pile, then Garrett grabbed his face mask. Pouncey and DeCastro start shoving Garrett while he has the face mask grabbed and then the helmet comes off. The shoving gets harder and Garrett loses it further and takes a swing- then all the punching/kicking.

My point was that it was not ALL on Garrett like was being FIRST reported and what you believe. Without some provacative behavior by Steelers players, the situation would not have occurred, nor would it have escalated. It was a chit show from both sides.

For one, where did Mason kick him in the nuts? I've not seen that in any video I have watched.

Secondly, so the helmet just magically comes off with a simple grab? GTFO with that mess. Garrett RIPPED his helmet off. You can visibly see him yank his helmet off.

Again, Garrett escalated the situation at Every. Single. Stage. Garrett put in a late hit on the QB by driving him into the ground well after he had thrown the ball (he got fined earlier in the year for something similar). Mason retaliates with the facemask grab. Garrett retaliates even worse by ripping the helmet off Mason (which if you've ever had happen, hurts like an SOB). Mason gets up to yell and push some more, Garrett hits him in the head with a helmet.

Heated arguments and pushing and shoving happen EVERY game. Yet seldom does another player rip another helmet off a another player. And NEVER has someone used an empty helmet as a weapon in an attempt to harm another player. You have to be able to keep your emotions in check.
 

Here’s the entire video. Ignore the guy talking and skip the first 2 plays although they probably play a factor in whatever Rudolph may have said due to some frustration.

It appears Garrett is holding him well after he threw it but no real reason why, then takes down Rudolph. Rudolph then tries to pull Garrett’s helmet off (who knows maybe to swing it at him first lol) then when garret is standing up/being grabbed by the ref and steeler OLman, Rudolph’s foot is already on his junk. Looked like it may have gotten kind of tangled/stuck but could have also been like pushing sort of like a kick.
EDIT: he clearly puts his foot on Garrett to push him back, maybe unintentionally on his wiener.

After that is when most other videos pickup to show Garrett’s reaction, watch the gif on page 1.

Exactly. I don't see any kicking to the nuts. He puts his foot on Garrett to push him away as Garrett is yanking his face mask.
 
Outside of violating Garrett's family member, nothing can justify whooping a guy over the head with his own helmet.

Rudolph coulda used any foul word on Earth, Garrett still in the wrong.
 
For one, where did Mason kick him in the nuts? I've not seen that in any video I have watched.

Secondly, so the helmet just magically comes off with a simple grab? GTFO with that mess. Garrett RIPPED his helmet off. You can visibly see him yank his helmet off.

Again, Garrett escalated the situation at Every. Single. Stage. Garrett put in a late hit on the QB by driving him into the ground well after he had thrown the ball (he got fined earlier in the year for something similar). Mason retaliates with the facemask grab. Garrett retaliates even worse by ripping the helmet off Mason (which if you've ever had happen, hurts like an SOB). Mason gets up to yell and push some more, Garrett hits him in the head with a helmet.

Heated arguments and pushing and shoving happen EVERY game. Yet seldom does another player rip another helmet off a another player. And NEVER has someone used an empty helmet as a weapon in an attempt to harm another player. You have to be able to keep your emotions in check.

You mistake that I am defending or justifying what Garrett did. I've said multiple times he was wrong.

My point has been that Rudolph is culpable in the initiation and the escalation and , Pouncy and DeCastro are culpable in the escalation.

You see only what you want to see. And at least Garrett admits he was wrong. You're like the Steelers fans who think this event was not multi-factotrial. The video shows Rudolph grabbing Garrett's facemask andshoving his foot into Garrett's groin.
 
Outside of violating Garrett's family member, nothing can justify whooping a guy over the head with his own helmet.

Rudolph coulda used any foul word on Earth, Garrett still in the wrong.

I don't think anybody (at least what I've read) is stating that Garrett is not "in the wrong".
 
Exactly. I don't see any kicking to the nuts. He puts his foot on Garrett to push him away as Garrett is yanking his face mask.

You might not be able to clearly because Rudolph's are resting on your head.
 
I don't think anybody (at least what I've read) is stating that Garrett is not "in the wrong".
No, but I keep reading how he was baited into it by Rudolph.

Which I disagree with. Garrett started it, Rudolph escalated it, Garrett went way too far.
 
No, but I keep reading how he was baited into it by Rudolph.

Which I disagree with. Garrett started it, Rudolph escalated it, Garrett went way too far.

That's reasonable but debatable. I see Rudolph grabbing Garrett's facemask first. And it makes absolutely ZERO sense for Garrett to go off after the play was whistled unless he was provoked.
 
That's reasonable but debatable. I see Rudolph grabbing Garrett's facemask first. And it makes absolutely ZERO sense for Garrett to go off after the play was whistled unless he was provoked.
Garrett has a tendency of playing beyond the whistle. When I watched the play I see Garrett doing a little extra and laying on Rudolph, thats when things get dicey.
 
Garrett has a tendency of playing beyond the whistle. When I watched the play I see Garrett doing a little extra and laying on Rudolph, thats when things get dicey.

Do you consider it dicey when Rudolph grabs his facemask?

I get where you're coming from. Garrett is NOT SOLELY responsible for the situation escalating.
 
Outside of violating Garrett's family member, nothing can justify whooping a guy over the head with his own helmet.

Rudolph coulda used any foul word on Earth, Garrett still in the wrong.
No one has said otherwise. You are in a group full of people agreeing with Garrett being guilty.
The debate is the guilt level of the Steelers involved.
-Rudolph is guilty of starting it and escalating it.
-pouncey is guilty of the after helmet swing punches and kicks, suspension appropriate.
-decastro to me is mostly innocent entirely. He pulls Garrett back and just kind of holds him until after the helmet swing. He then takes Garrett down and kind of dives on him to stop everything.
 
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