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Garrett started it
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Garrett started itNo one has said otherwise. You are in a group full of people agreeing with Garrett being guilty.
The debate is the guilt level of the Steelers involved.
-Rudolph is guilty of starting it and escalating it.
-pouncey is guilty of the after helmet swing punches and kicks, suspension appropriate.
-decastro to me is mostly innocent entirely. He pulls Garrett back and just kind of holds him until after the helmet swing. He then takes Garrett down and kind of dives on him to stop everything.
It’s not a kick but he definitely puts his foot on Garrett to push him away. I think it’s coincidence his foot is on Garrett’s junk.Exactly. I don't see any kicking to the nuts. He puts his foot on Garrett to push him away as Garrett is yanking his face mask.
Disagree.Garrett started it
Laying on the QB is what got us to this pointDisagree.
Watch the video I posted.
Garrett was not unreasonably late on the “hit” (if that’s what we’re calling it) and a slow takedown that Rudolph reacted poorly too. Rudolph then started ripping at Garrett’s helmet. That was the first “non-football” part of this.
Disagree also. If anything it was the takedown but that was weak and happens literally all the time. Rudolph took personal offense, well beyond the reaction to a reasonable takedown, and he starts pulling at the back of Garrett’s helmet to take it off.Laying on the QB is what got us to this point
Its in the rules now you cant do that.Disagree also. If anything it was the takedown but that was weak and happens literally all the time. Rudolph took personal offense, well beyond the reaction to a reasonable takedown, and he starts pulling at the back of Garrett’s helmet to take it off.
If we’re going off fairly regular NFL plays being the start, we should actually be blaming the Steelers OL for allowing the 2 sacks just before this play which is likely what caused the frustration reaction from Rudolph.
In this age of digital communication, it is almost impossible to argue a single point without being accused of taking an extremist opinion. Sure, Rudolph escalated things. I'm pretty sure we are on the same page for most of this. I'm just pointing out that Garrett's actions constituted an unnecessary roughness penalty. That's what started the whole thing. Rudolph escalated the situation pretty quickly. I doubt Pouncy or DeCastro would have gotten a penalty had Garrett not swung the helmet. Rudolph deserves a fine, at the least.yes but that’s debatable and even so in the realm of normal footbal, albeit grounds for a penalty. Face mask Twisting, nut kicking, ?racial slurs, and kicking/punching are not.
again my only point is to say that the Steelers (Rudolph, Pouncy and DeCastro) are also culpable in the initiation and escalation of that incident. It isn’t ENTIRELY on Garrett like some were suggesting.
my point is NOT to defend or justify Garrett’s actions. He was wrong to respond how he did.
It was late enough the ref was grabbing his flag when the scrum broke out and let go of his flag and ran over to start seperating. It was late, and it was unnecesary roughness. Then he laid on top of him.Disagree.
Watch the video I posted.
Garrett was not unreasonably late on the “hit” (if that’s what we’re calling it) and a slow takedown that Rudolph reacted poorly too. Rudolph then started ripping at Garrett’s helmet. That was the first “non-football” part of this.
All sqeeler’s deserve to be beaten about the head
YES...they suckLol you really dislike the Steelers lol
When I had PSL's, and sat next to GoT we would begin EVERY game (regardless of who the Titans were playing) with a PITTSBURGH STEELERS SUCK chant....at first the section was like, "what's going on" eventually many would follow along.Lol you really dislike the Steelers lol
no he wasn’t.It was late enough the ref was grabbing his flag when the scrum broke out and let go of his flag and ran over to start seperating. It was late, and it was unnecesary roughness. Then he laid on top of him.
You mistake that I am defending or justifying what Garrett did. I've said multiple times he was wrong.
My point has been that Rudolph is culpable in the initiation and the escalation and , Pouncy and DeCastro are culpable in the escalation.
You see only what you want to see. And at least Garrett admits he was wrong. You're like the Steelers fans who think this event was not multi-factotrial. The video shows Rudolph grabbing Garrett's facemask andshoving his foot into Garrett's groin.
no he wasn’t.
When refs feel a penalty is there, that’s the first thing they do is drop the flag. They don’t wait to break up fights.
Even more, Garrett wasn’t “laying on top of him”. Rudolph was grabbing his helmet to pull it off.
It would be super odd. It would be the first documented ref that chose to intervene between players before dropping the flag if he felt it was flag worthy.It happened pretty quick and there was 8 seconds left in the game. So it wouldn't be super odd if the Ref didn't have time (or wasn't prepared) to throw the flag immediately. As soon as both players were down, they started scuffling and the ref tries to break it up. Let's not forget that Garrett was fined earlier in the season for a late hit on Siemian that ended his season.
It absolutely should have been a roughing the passer penalty by the rule.
Separately, what does the fine at another point in time prove? Completely irrelevant to this case.It happened pretty quick and there was 8 seconds left in the game. So it wouldn't be super odd if the Ref didn't have time (or wasn't prepared) to throw the flag immediately. As soon as both players were down, they started scuffling and the ref tries to break it up. Let's not forget that Garrett was fined earlier in the season for a late hit on Siemian that ended his season.
It absolutely should have been a roughing the passer penalty by the rule.
You might want to watch again. #71 throws his hands up asking for the flag as soon as the takedown happens. A flag would have been thrown. Not sure why you are arguing this point.It would be super odd. It would be the first documented ref that chose to intervene between players before dropping the flag if he felt it was flag worthy.
He had plenty of time to throw it, watch the video again on how slow the “tackle” on Rudolph was. You can also see the lack of reaction by the ref as it’s happening and the 2 OL because no one thought the take down was dirty.
After on the ground, Rudolph starts pulling at the back/bottom of Garrett’s helmet.
There are 2 posted videos in this thread that show all of this.