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JCBRAVE said:
Youre not wrong about that, but Ill chose to look on the bright side while I still can. If dude stinks it up we might not be feeling too good in November. Ill put off hating the guy for now. Summer is long bro, even longer if you hate the QB.
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Just because I point out flaws and I’m frustrated with inconsistency, doesn’t mean I hate him. I actually liked Jake Locker as a person, leader, work ethic too, but either you can get it done regularly or you can’t. Mariota needs to prove it to me this time. Year 5 man, excuses are over....and after the past 2 years, I think anyone deserves the right to be skeptical/hesitant.
 
I’m sorry I’m not excited of “average” records and play from a #2 overall pick. Everyone sits here and knocks people like Kevin friggin Dodd etc, but dude was a top 2nd round pick and plays a less important/impactful position. No excuses for others and their average play, but point out the obvious with Mary legit a half decade in, and get ready to be crucified. Talk about hypocrisy.
 
Tuckfro42 said:
Simple question; has Mariota played like a #2 pick worth more than $25 million a year? That’s the question that matters the most and I don’t know if Mariota can give a positive answer to that question in one season.
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I would say in leadership and intangibles - yes. In production, not yet. He's got this year to figure it out. And there are several players in the same boat fighting for a new contract or contract extension.

When we drafted him we knew there would be a learning curve. We made that incredibly more difficult by changes coaches and systems every year. Some of the talent around him has been a problem. Some of the problems have been Mariota as well.

Point is...he has a lot MORE talent around him now and he's in the same system for the first time. If he can come back healthy (along with everyone else) and if everyone brings their A-game, we SHOULD have the offense that we want this year.

If Mariota doesn't get it done this year, we'll be on to the next guy. If he does, settle in and enjoy the ride!
 
JR1980 said:
I’m sorry I’m not excited of “average” records and play from a #2 overall pick. Everyone sits here and knocks people like Kevin friggin Dodd etc, but dude was a top 2nd round pick and plays a less important/impactful position. No excuses for others and their average play, but point out the obvious with Mary legit a half decade in, and get ready to be crucified. Talk about hypocrisy.
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JR1980 said:
Pats are consistently great because they let go of guys with big contracts and draft guys tailor made for their system. Thanks to Brady taking cuts and others leaving, they bring in veteran depth players that are smart and better than newcomers that others teams have to bring in when starters are injured...In turn, they always make the playoffs and compete.
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They also have a system that can be fleshed out. It's hard for us to draft guys to fit our system if that system changes every year. You literally just echoed what I said lol.
 
TitansWrath said:
I don't think either Prescott or Mariota have, to date, earned new deals. If the cowboys pay Prescott, Cooper, and Zeke, they are doomed to mediocrity at best for the forseeable future. Their oline is expensive too.
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Yeah...I think that's a bigger issue for the Cowboys because they have 3 players to sign. Cooper and Prescott are on final year deals and Elliot's last is 2020. 3 of their top highest salaries are OL and I don't see them cutting any of those guys. That means they can afford 2 of these 3...but not all 3. Do you sign Cooper? You have to. You just gave up a first round pick for him. Do you sign Elliot...you'd like to as the highest paid RB is a heck of a lot cheaper than what QB's are getting now and you could lower your cap hit for him the next few years.

So what do they do with Prescott. Best case scenario is sign him long term but structure the contract to be very cap friendly for the first few years and make it voidable by year 3 or 4 when the hits will be too big.

But frankly, even before signing these 3 they already had Frederick turn salary into sb to reduce salary cap and you usually do that when you're in a tough spot.

I think the Tannehill signing was a very smart move for us. Push Mariota, have a quality backup if Mariota gets hurt...but if Mariota does not perform well, we can see what this guy will look like in our system if we needed a vet to bridge to a new draft pick.
 
Msut10 said:
They also have a system that can be fleshed out. It's hard for us to draft guys to fit our system if that system changes every year. You literally just echoed what I said lol.
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For sure. I was agreeing with you about the Pats. The irony is, we have changed OC’s etc, but our offense really hasn’t changed that much.....
 
JR1980 said:
For sure. I was agreeing with you about the Pats. The irony is, we have changed OC’s etc, but our offense really hasn’t changed that much.....
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I think you mean our philosophy hasn't changed that much but our scheme and playcalling was drastically different.
 
Gut said:
I think you mean our philosophy hasn't changed that much but our scheme and playcalling was drastically different.
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Sounds about right. I mean we weren’t running jumbo sets etc, but we didn’t open up jack squat with LeFleur like we were supposed to. We ran Dion Lewis between the tackles and small balled as always.
 
JR1980 said:
Sounds about right. I mean we weren’t running jumbo sets etc, but we didn’t open up jack squat with LeFleur like we were supposed to. We ran Dion Lewis between the tackles and small balled as always.
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INJURIES prevented us from opening things up. Hell, we had to run wildcat when Gabby was starting.
 
10ECTyrant said:
INJURIES prevented us from opening things up. Hell, we had to run wildcat when Gabby was starting.
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So injuries are the excuse for the past 2 years? Even though we added Lewis, had a healthy Corey Davis, Taylor...etc. okay..
 
JR1980 said:
13 TD’s, followed by 11 TD. It’s deeper than injuries man.
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Id say it starts and ends at injuries. 11 TDs looks puny sure, but look at the volume of things...

Titans are not a pass first team, and marys sampling is smaller than some others due to missing time with injuries. Hes within the range you ask your QB to sling TDs. .03% of his throws count for six. Thats right there with Stafford and Dak.
 
Gut said:
Yeah...I think that's a bigger issue for the Cowboys because they have 3 players to sign. Cooper and Prescott are on final year deals and Elliot's last is 2020. 3 of their top highest salaries are OL and I don't see them cutting any of those guys. That means they can afford 2 of these 3...but not all 3. Do you sign Cooper? You have to. You just gave up a first round pick for him. Do you sign Elliot...you'd like to as the highest paid RB is a heck of a lot cheaper than what QB's are getting now and you could lower your cap hit for him the next few years.

So what do they do with Prescott. Best case scenario is sign him long term but structure the contract to be very cap friendly for the first few years and make it voidable by year 3 or 4 when the hits will be too big.

But frankly, even before signing these 3 they already had Frederick turn salary into sb to reduce salary cap and you usually do that when you're in a tough spot.

I think the Tannehill signing was a very smart move for us. Push Mariota, have a quality backup if Mariota gets hurt...but if Mariota does not perform well, we can see what this guy will look like in our system if we needed a vet to bridge to a new draft pick.
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And the cowboys have serious needs on the other side of the ball. At least we have a good defense that is also mostly very young.
 
“Tennessee Titans
Fatal Flaw: Quarterback

Tennessee actually did pretty well without Marcus Mariota at times, but it was obvious how much someone like Blaine Gabbert limited them. Which is why they got Ryan Tannehill! Unfortunately they now have two quarterbacks with major questions -- is either actually a franchise QB? Mariota and Tannehill are similar athletes and both former top-10 picks. One (Tannehill) got paid and one (Mariota) might get paid with a big year? The Titanshave a nice offensive line, a good group of running backs and some high picks at the skill positions (Corey Davis, A.J. Brown -- I'm not willing to bury this group just quite yet). If the quarterback play is above average this could be a sneaky great team.”
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ntzs-health-and-every-teams-possible-pitfall/
 
JR1980 said:
So injuries are the excuse for the past 2 years? Even though we added Lewis, had a healthy Corey Davis, Taylor...etc. okay..
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Lewis sucked. I put most of the blame for that on Lefluer though for completely miss using him.

Lewis is a 3rd Down and change of pace back. He is good for popping a nifty run here and there and catching out of the backfield. But that’s not how Lefluer used him.

Maybe that’s cause Henry wasn’t running too wel either, but I think if we force feed Henry, he fixes his issues faster.

Either way, Lewis was not the weapon we envisioned him to be last year.

Taylor just isn’t a #2 WR. He needs to be a 3/4 . He has speed and can be a deep threat, but isn’t much more than that.

Davis started to flash. I expect him to put it together this year.

Overall, Our weapons last year were subpar (until Henry broke out).
 
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