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This is some of your worst work yet. We've spent premium capital or picks on the LT, LG, RT, WR, TE, and RB. That's almost every damn position.Either you just make blanket statements to just try and paint broad poor pictures...or you're seriously mis-informed.
Let's look at the PREMIUM money spent at all the positions around Mariota.
LT - check
LG - NEGATIVE
OC - NEGATIVE
RG - NEGATIVE
RT - NEGATIVE
1/5 on the OL
#1 WR - NEGATIVE
#2 WR - NEGATIVE
#3 WR - NEGATIVE
0/3 at WR
#1 TE - check
#2 TE - NEGATIVE
1/2 at TE
#1 RB - NEGATIVE
#2 RB - NEGATIVE
0/2 at RB
Wow!!!! I can see where you get your info. Of the 12 players playing around Mariota, 2/12 are getting premium dollars and one of those two was hurt all year.
It's about time we brought in some help for him...and we still didn't break the bank. We added Saffold and are paying him premium bucks. We added Humphries...who is NOT making premium money for a wr (there's like 26 wr's ahead of him).
So it looks like we are up to 3/12 players getting paid premium bucks around Mariota. Let's see what he does with them!
But your basic premise was completely wrong!
ROFLMAO!!! Brady, Luck, Rodgers, Luck and Mahomes throw to nobodies? Maybe you've never heard of Julian Edelman or Wes Welker or Randy Moss or Gronkowski...but I HAVE!!!
Didn't Rodgers have guys like Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson and Davante Adams...probably more. Ever heard of them?
You never heard of TY Hilton and Reggie Wayne? They may end up being Hall of Fame wr's!
Oh yeah...and that Mahomes guy has nobody...oh...except Kelce - arguably the best TE in the NFL and the most dangerous wr in Hill!
Yeah...no names that every has heard of except you!
Epic fail #2 for you in this post!
And let's go for the trifecta, shall we?
Who are the all pro players surrounding Mariota? Clearly I'd guess you mean Walker (who was hurt the whole season...so can't get stats outta him), Conklin (who didn't really play like an all pro his rookie season but got voted in. But did he even play like an AVG RT last year? Not at all. He wasn't ok to play and got beat all the time), and Lewan who played very well? Who is the 4th all pro? But clearly you're using this label to mislead as Conklin couldn't have blocked Brave last year and Walker was hurt.
Wow...talk about skewing stats and making stuff up!!! That was a doozy of a post of lies!
You can't boost Mariota's stats because if he were to drop back that number of times, he'd be on IR by week 2.They are pretty similar qb's...though it's hard to discount that Prescott has one of the best OL's in the NFL and one of the best rb's too.
But let's see how they compare when you normalize their passing stats...and by that I mean attempts. When I boost Mariota's attempts to the same as Prescott, they are pretty close.
Mariota would have thrown for just over 4k (without rushing yards) and over 19 TD's and 13 INT's...21 TD's and 15 turnovers. Prescott's is better at 28 and 14...but Mariota had a higher completion percentage, more yards and a higher first down %. I didn't watch the Cowboys a lot so I don't know if Prescott missed some TD's on his stat sheet on terrible dropped passes....but I know Mariota lost out on some perfect throws.
So if you keep in mind Prescotts superior talent surrounding him last year (OL and RB especially) and several dropped TD's...they look like comparable guys. They had pretty close QBR's as well this season.
The question for me is, how would Mariota look on Dallas vs Prescott playing on the Titans last year. I think Mariota would have outperformed him.
So it's pretty interesting that some pundits think signing Prescott is a slam dunk (for 27-30mil/yr) but don't think Mariota will get another contract with us.
Mariota will get his chance to prove it this year. If we can get the kind of play we got from Kelly late at RT and with Saffold and anyone better than Kline at RG, we'll have a very solid OL. Prescott's line is still better...but we should be pretty solid.
With Walker back (and crossing our fingers he stays healthy) and the top 4 wr's in our receiving room...Mariota now has better weapons to throw to than Prescott.
If Henry can beast out all year like he did last December...I'd call this a wash but most importantly, Mariota will have a strong run game to lean on and cause major problems for the defense!
For people like me who point out pretty big discrepancies in surrounding talent level (available...we had a lot of guys hurt last year) and wonder what if...we can see that this year with all of the changes. Mariota SHOULD have the OL, RB and weapons to throw to. If Smith keeps the same system as expected, virtually every excuse will be taken off the books and he'll be in his best position to shine. We need him to shine if we want to win playoff games and the Super Bowl!
They are pretty similar qb's...though it's hard to discount that Prescott has one of the best OL's in the NFL and one of the best rb's too.
But let's see how they compare when you normalize their passing stats...and by that I mean attempts. When I boost Mariota's attempts to the same as Prescott, they are pretty close.
Mariota would have thrown for just over 4k (without rushing yards) and over 19 TD's and 13 INT's...21 TD's and 15 turnovers. Prescott's is better at 28 and 14...but Mariota had a higher completion percentage, more yards and a higher first down %. I didn't watch the Cowboys a lot so I don't know if Prescott missed some TD's on his stat sheet on terrible dropped passes....but I know Mariota lost out on some perfect throws.
So if you keep in mind Prescotts superior talent surrounding him last year (OL and RB especially) and several dropped TD's...they look like comparable guys. They had pretty close QBR's as well this season.
The question for me is, how would Mariota look on Dallas vs Prescott playing on the Titans last year. I think Mariota would have outperformed him.
So it's pretty interesting that some pundits think signing Prescott is a slam dunk (for 27-30mil/yr) but don't think Mariota will get another contract with us.
Mariota will get his chance to prove it this year. If we can get the kind of play we got from Kelly late at RT and with Saffold and anyone better than Kline at RG, we'll have a very solid OL. Prescott's line is still better...but we should be pretty solid.
With Walker back (and crossing our fingers he stays healthy) and the top 4 wr's in our receiving room...Mariota now has better weapons to throw to than Prescott.
If Henry can beast out all year like he did last December...I'd call this a wash but most importantly, Mariota will have a strong run game to lean on and cause major problems for the defense!
For people like me who point out pretty big discrepancies in surrounding talent level (available...we had a lot of guys hurt last year) and wonder what if...we can see that this year with all of the changes. Mariota SHOULD have the OL, RB and weapons to throw to. If Smith keeps the same system as expected, virtually every excuse will be taken off the books and he'll be in his best position to shine. We need him to shine if we want to win playoff games and the Super Bowl!
You're terrible dudeThis is some of your worst work yet. We've spent premium capital or picks on the LT, LG, RT, WR, TE, and RB. That's almost every damn position.
So we don't currently have the most expensive left side of the O line in the league, a #8 pick at RT, a #5 pick at WR, another $9M WR, a pro bowl TE, a top 10 paid RB, and additional 2nd and 3rd round picks scattered across the offense? I had to watch GB completely ignore the offensive side of the ball in FA and during the entire first 2 days of the draft for half a decade now. I'm tired of the excuses .You're terrible dude
Just stop
Everything Gut just said is 100% accurate
This is some of your worst work yet. We've spent premium capital or picks on the LT, LG, RT, WR, TE, and RB. That's almost every damn position.
Sometimes you just have to pay guys. That's how it works. NE has had continuity at almost every important position both on the field and in the front office for the last decade. That is HUGE! We've had have browns level turnover ever since fisher left.So we don't currently have the most expensive left side of the O line in the league, a #8 pick at RT, a #5 pick at WR, another $9M WR, a pro bowl TE, a top 10 paid RB, and additional 2nd and 3rd round picks scattered across the offense? I had to watch GB completely ignore the offensive side of the ball in FA and during the entire first 2 days of the draft for half a decade now. I'm tired of the excuses .
Please show me where New England spends "premium money"
You're picking the wrong things to talk about. You add all those pieces either way, with or without Mary. That's just good managing.So we don't currently have the most expensive left side of the O line in the league, a #8 pick at RT, a #5 pick at WR, another $9M WR, a pro bowl TE, a top 10 paid RB, and additional 2nd and 3rd round picks scattered across the offense? I had to watch GB completely ignore the offensive side of the ball in FA and during the entire first 2 days of the draft for half a decade now. I'm tired of the excuses .
Please show me where New England spends "premium money"
Pats are consistently great because they let go of guys with big contracts and draft guys tailor made for their system. Thanks to Brady taking cuts and others leaving, they bring in veteran depth players that are smart and better than newcomers that others teams have to bring in when starters are injured...In turn, they always make the playoffs and compete.Sometimes you just have to pay guys. That's how it works. NE has had continuity at almost every important position both on the field and in the front office for the last decade. That is HUGE! We've had have browns level turnover ever since fisher left.
Okay. I missed the context and read this as an excuse.For the reading comprehension 'challenged'...this is the quote I was responding to...
"We basically have to spend premium dollars on every position around Mariota to get him to put up mediocre stats."
Does that say dollars or draft capital? NO!!!
Re-read my post as it clearly breaks down which positions we spend premium dollars on...and it's not a lot.
So we don't currently have the most expensive left side of the O line in the league, a #8 pick at RT, a #5 pick at WR, another $9M WR, a pro bowl TE, a top 10 paid RB, and additional 2nd and 3rd round picks scattered across the offense? I had to watch GB completely ignore the offensive side of the ball in FA and during the entire first 2 days of the draft for half a decade now. I'm tired of the excuses .
Please show me where New England spends "premium money"
I definitely understand where everyone on each side is coming from. I think putting all of the details and bs aside, it comes down to health and consistency. I think we all can agree on that. I feel like it’s a mental/vision thing with him. When he lets it rip and takes shots, he can be great and proven. My biggest concern with Mariota is chemistry to be honest. I’ve watched him here for 4 years now (entering year 5) and outside of Delaney Walker, I’m seeing very little chemistry or elevation of players around him. I don’t believe every single coach, coordinator, etc are putting these guys in position to fail. Be it early or late picks, new free agent faces, etc, it seems like the offense and it’s players are sputtering under him. The fact he has declined the past 2 years is worrisome as well. No matter what side you fall on, we have to figure this offense out. It’s 1 dimensional and just plain ineffective. It needs opened up, and every year we say it will be and it doesn’t. If it’s by choice, what does that tell you? Our defense is producing studs, yet, our offense can’t produce squat. At some point, Mariota deserves some blame as well and needs to look in the mirror.
Exactly. He is gun shy. McNabb was similar in some ways, but even he took shots more often. Can’t always count on 4th quarter comebacks and your defense bailing you out. The fact that we haven’t figured out how to “open up” this offense tells me a lot. His biggest highlights are a stiff arm and a self thrown touchdown in 4 years. Sure; he’s fun to watch at times and it was cool, but he’s my quarterback. I don’t want an athlete playing quarterback, I want a quarterback that’s an athlete as well....I think your right. He is the Jeff Fisher of QBs. By which I mean, he plays not to lose. Not aggressive. Then in the fourth, when he has no choice, he gets aggressive.
I want to see some games where he comes out slinging and is sitting on the bench having a Gatorade in the fourth because the backups are doing mop up duty .
Okay. I missed the context and read this as an excuse.
In their defense, Mariota had pretty awful stats over the past two years. It's logical to think that he needs a lot of help
Oh Brave....We know what he SHOULD do, but what will he ACTUALLY do?! Legit these same conversations happened last year..............What Mary needs is just a run game and time to locate guys.
He somehow made Tajae Sharpe look good once upon a time.
The instance the run game was tapped out in 2017 was when we noticed this unfortunate shift in Mary's game.
No way he sucks like you keep pretending he will. Hes got 3rd year Corey Davis, Delanie Walker, AJ Johnson Jr., and Henry at his disposal. Do you know what I can do in Madden with those 4 guys? Do you have any idea!?
Mary should be licking his chops with this cast of guys.
Youre not wrong about that, but Ill chose to look on the bright side while I still can. If dude stinks it up we might not be feeling too good in November. Ill put off hating the guy for now. Summer is long bro, even longer if you hate the QB.Oh Brave....We know what he SHOULD do, but what will he ACTUALLY do?! Legit these same conversations happened last year..............
Simple question; has Mariota played like a #2 pick worth more than $25 million a year? That’s the question that matters the most and I don’t know if Mariota can give a positive answer to that question in one season.So when JWill claimed we spent premium DOLLARS at every position, you want to include draft capital. But then you ask what premium DOLLARS NE spends. Which is it?
Here's a simple exercise. Did Conklin play like a top 8 pick last year? And to translate that...did he play like a top 3 RT? Voted to the Pro Bowl?
Did CD look like a top #5 pick last year? I think he's a good wr and getting better...but has he been Julio Jones?
If you want to assign value to the pick OUTSIDE of the draft, then you have to compare production to others in those spots. Then you will find our players lacking and blame someone else (like Mariota).
In reality, you have to only look at the player and his production. Sure draft pick location gives you an idea of the upside...but many players bust or never live up to that. A simple example of that is Conklin. Mariota has almost nothing to do with whether he gets beaten or not. You want to tout that he's a top 8 pick...but he hasn't played like one. He was solid his rookie year with a TE attached to his hip...but most OT's will play well in that situation. And for the point of these recent posts...has he played like a top 8 pick last year? I would have benched him much earlier because on film, he's not right. He's getting beaten every way you can get beaten.
The simple fact is we over drafted him out of need. And that's not Conklin's fault so he has unreasonably high expectations put on him for where he went in the draft. But you can't go around saying Mariota is surrounded by awesome players because draft pick location doesn't guarantee you anything.
Walker was out almost the whole year...so how do you count him as having value last year?
And not to point out the obvious, but we don't have a top 10 paid RB. I think Lewis is like 14th or 15th. Did Lewis play better or worse last year compared to how he played with the Pats? Didn't we have a much better OL? Only in your mind.
Lastly, coaching and gm's play a big role in all of this. GB has been wasting the best years of Rodgers by thinking they can cheap out and not give him a ton of talent. They were trying to copy NE but had several big problems. NE is masterful at developing talent. They have one of the greatest OL coaches in the history of the NFL which is how they get away with putting a lot of 3-5th round guys there. They develop them. Plus, NE has a unique offense and they've been running it for nearly a decade. That gives them a depth in their playbook that is unparalleled. Lastly, they are a lot smarter than most teams in what they need to run their offensive and defensive systems so they can get away with fewer 'premium' picks and premium dollars. Also, Belicheck is one of the greatest DC's in the NFL and always has a hand in their D...especially in the playoffs.
GB does not run a unique system and are not deep in the playbook. They just hope Rodgers can make that up in off book plays and he did a lot more when he was younger. And GB has for the most part, not been good defensively. That's a GM and coaching problem.
Lastly, NE gets a ton of free agent talent coming to them at mid range prices (on the cheap) because they can offer something no one else can...a good chance to win a ring. GB just let people go and wasn't able to draft well enough and develop those guys like NE.
I think you'll be much happier this year with GB with LaFleur as coach.