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I hope we really go best player available. If DL and Edge top 15 talent is depleted then go reciever, TE , OL whoever or whatever playmaker slips with most value take him . We need real assets more so than filling holes.
 
Broken Arrow said:
those of you who said TE of any sort at 19, need to lay off the paint thinners...
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You wouldn’t draft Gronkowski @ 19 overall? That’s what I think most are hoping for. Gronk, Wycheck, Delanie Walker, and similar. Kinda like taking a great receiver but with added benefits in the run game.
 
satkins2252 said:
You wouldn’t draft Gronkowski @ 19 overall? That’s what I think most are hoping for. Gronk, Wycheck, Delanie Walker, and similar. Kinda like taking a great receiver but with added benefits in the run game.
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TJ Hockenson, Noah Fant, and Irv Smith don't even hold a candle to those 3...
 
abc2330 said:
Yeah, we hear this crap all of the time. I think Boldin and Keenan Allen fell for the same reasons

He looks plenty adept at creating separation to me

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Allen and Boldin got open a LOT in college without having to use double moves out of the slot. Big difference.

Again, NFL CB's aren't gonna fall for that. And his first route was not great. He looks like he gets out of balance when he turns up field which is why he is a little slow on that break. The second one is better, but you'll rarely see this in the NFL with #1 WR vs #1 CB. NFL cb's are trained to give up the underneath completion and tackle you at 3-5yds then stop the 3-5 completion but risk a big play over the top when playing off coverage.

If you need to play Harry in the slot to get him open, is he really a first round prospect?
 
Tricky said:
Yea and whatever team that came from loves him and is hoping everyone else buys that crap
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All of the teams can watch the same tape. He's a beast of a wr...especially in college against a bunch of 5'9 and 5'10 cb's who have the same speed as him and usually no ball skills. But even then, he rarely gets much separation and he is not sudden or explosive out of his breaks running routes. It's why he chose not to run a 3 cone or 20yd shuttle at combine nor his pro day.

Can he get better and develop into a great route runner and turn into a Boldin or Smith-Schuster? Yes. But he's not a lock. And with his average speed, he NEEDS to learn how to get open in the NFL to be successful.
 
No timetable for Delanie's return. Hockenson may have just shot to 1st on my draft board.
 
Tricky said:
No timetable for Delanie's return. Hockenson may have just shot to 1st on my draft board.
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Yeah...All signs pointing towards tight end early and Hockenson would be a great one. Delanie doesnt have much time left in his career, and Johnnu has never proved to be a capable starter. On top of these factors, both are coming off of serious injuries and neither will be ready to go by the start of the season. We also let Luke stocker go in free agency. I'd be willing to bet we go tight end on the first 2 days of the draft.
 
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Unfortunately I dont think we have a shot at hockenson. I dont see any way he makes it past the packers at 12 or dolphins at 13. If he does, he could fall bc the teams from 14-18 are set at TE. But if we want to jump to 11 ahead of the packers and dolphins, the trade chart says we would have to give up 1.19 and 2.19 for 1.11 and 6.10. That's too rich.

He will go somewhere between 7-13, and if he doesnt, we should consider it hitting the jackpot.
 
No to a tight end. We took scrub tight ends and did ok with them. Day 1 and 2 will be edge, idl, or iol. Wilkins would be my first pick.
 
Tricky said:
Unfortunately I dont think we have a shot at hockenson. I dont see any way he makes it past the packers at 12 or dolphins at 13. If he does, he could fall bc the teams from 14-18 are set at TE. But if we want to jump to 11 ahead of the packers and dolphins, the trade chart says we would have to give up 1.19 and 2.19 for 1.11 and 6.10. That's too rich.

He will go somewhere between 7-13, and if he doesnt, we should consider it hitting the jackpot.
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I definitely wouldn't suggest moving up for him....

I just hope that 1 of 2 things happens.

We get to choose from Hockenson, Sweat, or Burns at 19.

Or if they're gone..

We trade back about 5-10 picks, get an extra pick for day 2, and choose from Fant, Lawrence, Lindstrom, Bradbury, or Simmons.
 
The answer here is clearly Sweat and I don't think it's particularly close. But I don't think he makes it out of the top 10.

I'm a Miss. State fan, so I've probably watched him more than most on here but he was dominant off the edge and teams didn't have an answer for him. I like him better than Josh Allen. With Sweat, Abram and Simmons that defense scary good. Most people don't realize it was ranked better than Bama's defense last year.

Anyway, Sweat could have a Kearse like impact on this team and take us from good to great - and I don't think that's my maroon colored glasses coming through either. Just watch the tape on him. He can beat you with power, speed (4.41 40 time!) and pass rush moves. He's the complete package and if he makes it out of the top 10, JRob should be seeing what the cost would be to move up.
 
I want Ed Oliver. I expect we'll end up with Wilkins who is a nice consolation prize. If both are off the board and Sweat is also gone, I would prefer to trade out of the position and pick up an extra 3rd. Burns and Ferrell are a little too risky for me at 19 and Lawrence may be nothing more than a NT (and you don't spend a 1st on a NT). I also have no desire of taking any offensive player in this draft at No. 19, other than may be Hockensen. Even then, rookie tight ends historically haven't done that well. Evan Engram is probably the best rookie tight end in recent memory to give you a good idea of the max you should expect in year one.
 
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2ToneBlueBlood said:
The answer here is clearly Sweat and I don't think it's particularly close. But I don't think he makes it out of the top 10.

I'm a Miss. State fan, so I've probably watched him more than most on here but he was dominant off the edge and teams didn't have an answer for him. I like him better than Josh Allen. With Sweat, Abram and Simmons that defense scary good. Most people don't realize it was ranked better than Bama's defense last year.

Anyway, Sweat could have a Kearse like impact on this team and take us from good to great - and I don't think that's my maroon colored glasses coming through either. Just watch the tape on him. He can beat you with power, speed (4.41 40 time!) and pass rush moves. He's the complete package and if he makes it out of the top 10, JRob should be seeing what the cost would be to move up.
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I agree 100 percent that he's the best prospect on the list. Hockenson isn't far behind at all though. I made my decision based off the fact that there will be some really good edge guys on day 2 for us. You can't say that about tight end.

I also think out of everyone on this list, Sweat is the least likely to fall to 19. He has that heart issue though so who knows how that could affect things.
 
nytitaner said:
Our 19 spot could be awkward , in which case moving down would be beneficial.
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I've wondered if they've considered moving out of the first entirely. Trade 19 to a team for next year's first and a second or third this year. Preferably a team that will suck.

We may need two firsts next year if it's time to replace Mary, which I think is more likely than not.
 
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