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Does him only having 2,500 yards trigger you too? His attempts distance average is ****ing #30 out of #32! That doesn't even take into account sacks he takes. It's easy to hit 70% when it's short and between the numbers... or take sacks instead of throw the ball.

So why is Mariota high in 1st down %?

Attempts distance average is based on an AVERAGE. This is related to playcalling and not having a lot of weapons nor a lot of time to throw deep.

You guys assume all stats are...Mariota won't do this or that. Some things are not in his control. We had one bonafide dangerous wr in CD. Taylor's a burner but didn't see a lot of playing time...is that Mariota's fault? Was it his fault Taylor dropped some easy passes for big plays? Mariota is not without his own faults...like when Taylor was open by 10yds deep and Mariota over threw him). Blame him for what he does wrong...but some of this stuff is on the entire offense and includes playcalling as well.

Another example people like to trot out is his total yards. If he only has like 330 attempts...you CAN'T get a lot of yards. I think Mahomes had the highest YPA at 8.8...even with him throwing much deeper, you still barely crack 2900 yards....a number far below anyone's desired stat line...but that's not on Mariota...not the majority anyway.
 
Dak isn't very good, but yes he's better than Mariota in every measurement.

Mariota had a higher completion %, YPA, threw for a higher % of first downs, and took less sacks.


Prescott has better stats overall, but beats him in every stat?

Nope.
 
NO QB can throw for many yards without enough attempts! 330 attempts is not enough for a league average yards. If Mahomes had the same # of attempts as Mariota...he'd have just over 2900 yards passing. Doesn't matter qb you are. Too few attempts equals too few yards!
Stop being ridiculous with these comparisons. Mariota had a limited number of attempts in order to increase his effectiveness and that of the offense-not because they are intentionally trying to hinder the offense and hurt his stats. That's completely idiotic. If he could throw it more, they would allow him to.
 
Dak plays in December and didn’t have weapons until last season either....

If you think what you're saying is correct, list our weapons and stats since 2016 vs Dallas'.

Zeke alone is a better weapon than anyone we've had or still have since Mariota has been on the Titans. How did Zeke do his first year? Ever heard of Dez Bryant or Whitten, etc?
 
If you think what you're saying is correct, list our weapons and stats since 2016 vs Dallas'.

Zeke alone is a better weapon than anyone we've had or still have since Mariota has been on the Titans. How did Zeke do his first year? Ever heard of Dez Bryant or Whitten, etc?
Bryant and Whitten were worthless with Dak. Just stop it. Whitten averaged under 10 YPC and Bryant barely caught 50% of his targets. Walker and Matthews were MUCH better. There's a reason both were out of the league last year
 
Bryant has been a scrub ever since he got paid. He had 1.8 yards of separation per attempt and 52% catch rate in 16. He was horrible. Cole Beasley was Dak's best and only decent receiver in 2 and a half years. Yet he's outplayed Mariota

I knocked your nonsense down before. Go back and READ since I actually listed the reasons why Dallas has had a better line, MORE weapons, and a dominant running attack since they have a premier rb. Mariota had a premier running back once...and it was his best season.

Go back to my other post and refute the evidence laid out. Since you chose to ignore it...but repeat nonsense over and over hoping someone will believe you.

Doesn't work buddy, you're just feeding the trolls.
 
I knocked your nonsense down before. Go back and READ since I actually listed the reasons why Dallas has had a better line, MORE weapons, and a dominant running attack since they have a premier rb. Mariota had a premier running back once...and it was his best season.

Go back to my other post and refute the evidence laid out. Since you chose to ignore it...but repeat nonsense over and over hoping someone will believe you.

Doesn't work buddy, you're just feeding the trolls.
And I'm presenting evidence that Bryant and Whitten were washed up Eric Decker/Andre Johnson type players when Dak arrived instead of you pretending like they were still in their primes. Cole Beasley was his only legitimate receiving threat prior to Cooper. Your opinion is wrong.

FWIW, PFF had our line ranked better than theirs during two of Dak's years-and one spot behind them during the other. You are reaching big time

And like I said, his major regression has come in red zone TDs, despite a comparable number of attempts. What does that have to do with the RB? You don't know what the hell you are talking about
 
No...because it's all speculation. Just like, of all the RB's I've seen live in my lifetime...Emitt Smith is not the greatest rb. For my money it's Barry Sanders...but Smith has the stats because of the team he went to.
I agree. It’s like Smith has better overall numbers because he played longer.

In this case, the two players are almost equal in the positive stats and one is much better in the negatives stats.

Dak is better. Sorry guys.
 
I agree. It’s like Smith has better overall numbers because he played longer.

In this case, the two players are almost equal in the positive stats and one is much better in the negatives stats.

Dak is better. Sorry guys.
Dez was getting Kelvin Benjamin- caliber 1.8 yards of separation per target in 2016. Imagine what Mariota could have done with those type of weapons
 
Bryant has been a scrub ever since he got paid. He had 1.8 yards of separation per attempt and 52% catch rate in 16. He was horrible. Cole Beasley was Dak's best and only decent receiver in 2 and a half years. Yet he's outplayed Mariota

It's funny, you want to point out one or two metrics to make your opinion of the overall player, but when CJ does this FOR Mariota you guys throw fit!

Here's my previous post on your comparison of what Mariota had with us versus Dallas...this is you acting like Cooper wasn't good because he wasn't racking up yards in Raidertown and you claiming our OL was as good OR BETTER than Dallas' OL since 2016 when Dak came into the league. And oh yeah...Dak didn't have anyone to throw to until Cooper this year...

"So your conclusion of...Cooper wasn't lighting it up with a QB who has better stats than Mariota, means? Cooper isn't good? LOL Cooper ripped it up since he's been on Dallas and has outplayed every receiver we had last year who played even half a year. Even with his bad Oakland start, Cooper finished with better stats than all of our wr's.

"Maybe having a qb who will actually throw the ball...?" Is this another poor attempt to reference your incorrect conclusion that Mariota wouldn't throw the ball unless there was 3 yards of separation? LOL I've knocked this down 2 times already and still waiting on an answer in that post. You think our receivers AVERAGING 3 yards of separation means he wouldn't throw the ball unless that was there...so does that mean Tom Brady WOULDN'T throw the ball unless Edelman was open by 3.3yards since that was his avg separation? Clearly not. Try something else!

Dak had no one to throw the ball to. This is one of my faves! Ever heard of a guy named Dez Bryant? Bryant wasn't at the top of his game in 2016, be he still put up comparable stats to CD. Cd had more catches and yards, but Bryant had double the TD's. But oh wait, Bryant was 3rd on their list. Cole Beasley had also similar production to CD (this year), Whitten added another 69 catches, TWilliams added another 44 catches for like 600 yards and oh yeah...Elliot added another 30+ catches. Looks like they had 5 guys to throw the ball to.

Look at who Mariota has had...not comparable.

And by the way, Dallas's players have changed over the years and they have NOT had the same OL since 2016 to now. And btw, going back to your silly suggestion our line was as good or better? They had 3 First Team all pros on their line in 2016.

But to answer your question...what has Dallas given Dak that we haven't given Mariota? A great OL, a 2k offensive weapon (Elliot), a consistent 1k receiver and a very good slot.

We have improved the OL this season and given Mariota a lot more weapons now...and with Walker back...hopefully we have more weapons than they do but we still don't have an Elliot type weapon.

And a 2k weapon is a heck of a lot better than a 1k rusher. And by the way, Elliot and Dak came into the league the same year so he's always had an excellent line and one of the best rushers in the NFL and plenty of receivers to throw the ball to. Mariota had 1 year of Murray running well (when he produced similar stats to Prescott)."

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It's funny, you want to point out one or two metrics to make your opinion of the overall player, but when CJ does this FOR Mariota you guys throw fit!

Here's my previous post on your comparison of what Mariota had with us versus Dallas...this is you acting like Cooper wasn't good because he wasn't racking up yards in Raidertown and you claiming our OL was as good OR BETTER than Dallas' OL since 2016 when Dak came into the league. And oh yeah...Dak didn't have anyone to throw to until Cooper this year...

"So your conclusion of...Cooper wasn't lighting it up with a QB who has better stats than Mariota, means? Cooper isn't good? LOL Cooper ripped it up since he's been on Dallas and has outplayed every receiver we had last year who played even half a year. Even with his bad Oakland start, Cooper finished with better stats than all of our wr's.

"Maybe having a qb who will actually throw the ball...?" Is this another poor attempt to reference your incorrect conclusion that Mariota wouldn't throw the ball unless there was 3 yards of separation? LOL I've knocked this down 2 times already and still waiting on an answer in that post. You think our receivers AVERAGING 3 yards of separation means he wouldn't throw the ball unless that was there...so does that mean Tom Brady WOULDN'T throw the ball unless Edelman was open by 3.3yards since that was his avg separation? Clearly not. Try something else!

Dak had no one to throw the ball to. This is one of my faves! Ever heard of a guy named Dez Bryant? Bryant wasn't at the top of his game in 2016, be he still put up comparable stats to CD. Cd had more catches and yards, but Bryant had double the TD's. But oh wait, Bryant was 3rd on their list. Cole Beasley had also similar production to CD (this year), Whitten added another 69 catches, TWilliams added another 44 catches for like 600 yards and oh yeah...Elliot added another 30+ catches. Looks like they had 5 guys to throw the ball to.

Look at who Mariota has had...not comparable.

And by the way, Dallas's players have changed over the years and they have NOT had the same OL since 2016 to now. And btw, going back to your silly suggestion our line was as good or better? They had 3 First Team all pros on their line in 2016.

But to answer your question...what has Dallas given Dak that we haven't given Mariota? A great OL, a 2k offensive weapon (Elliot), a consistent 1k receiver and a very good slot.

We have improved the OL this season and given Mariota a lot more weapons now...and with Walker back...hopefully we have more weapons than they do but we still don't have an Elliot type weapon.

And a 2k weapon is a heck of a lot better than a 1k rusher. And by the way, Elliot and Dak came into the league the same year so he's always had an excellent line and one of the best rushers in the NFL and plenty of receivers to throw the ball to. Mariota had 1 year of Murray running well (when he produced similar stats to Prescott)."

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You are comparing the stats of our receivers to those who have a BETTER QB!!!!! The argument shouldn't be against our receivers. It should be about how Dak was able to get nearly 900 yards out of Cole Beasley, a WR who averaged 1.8 yards of separation (Corey Davis averaged 3.1 last year), and doubled Amari's production that he was getting with Carr in Oakland . There's pretty damning evidence that he's able to get a lot out of his guys. While Mariota can't even match Metterburg and Locker's production that they got out Delanie Walker most years

The WR's production depends on the productivity of the QB. Not vice versa. And the productivity of our quarterback SUCKS!!!!!
 
You are comparing the stats of our receivers to those who have a BETTER QB!!!!! The argument shouldn't be against our receivers. It should be about how Dak was able to get nearly 900 yards out of Cole Beasley, a WR who averaged 1.8 yards of separation (Corey Davis averaged 3.1 last year), and doubled Amari's production that he was getting with Carr in Oakland . There's pretty damning evidence that he's able to get a lot out of his guys. While Mariota can't even match Metterburg and Locker's production that they got out Delanie Walker most years

The WR's production depends on the productivity of the QB. Not vice versa. And the productivity of our quarterback SUCKS!!!!!

So,what you’re saying is, we can expect Nick Williams to go on to be a star somewhere else this year...

Dammit Mariota, why are you holding back the great NICK WILLIAMS!!!
 
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So,what you’re saying is, we can expect Nick Williams to go on to be a star somewhere else this year...

Dammit Mariota, why are you holding back the great NICK WILLIAMS!!!
Right, that's all he had. Not a top 5 TE, a #5 overall pick at WR, a WR who averaged 60 YPG with Tanne Hill the year before coming here (and had one of his best games as a titan with Cassell playing QB) , a pro bowl RB, top 5 OLs, etc. You guys are pathetic
 
Seriously though, arguing whether the WR makes the QB or the QB makes the WR is stupid.

Of course a great QB can make WRs look better and Bad WRs can make good QBs look worse, and vice versa

Obviously they both help/hurt each other. As do MANY OTHER aspects of the team(coaching, running game, etc) ... it’s not so simple as some people want to make it out to be.

Cooper helped Dak, Dak helped cooper. Just as much as cooper was struggling before coming to the cowboys, Dak was struggling as a passer (I already posted earlier how much Daks numbers increased when Cooper went to Dallas)

And sure, Cooper wasn’t having a great year with the Raiders, but he had shown he can be great in the past. He needed a change of scenery (no one looked good in oak last year)

Constructing and NFL team is like baking a cake. You need all the right ingredients for it to work. Fuck up 1 ingredient, and the whole thing suffers
 
Right, that's all he had. Not a top 5 TE, a #5 overall pick at WR, a WR who averaged 60 YPG with Tanne Hill the year before coming here (and had one of his best games as a titan with Cassell playing QB) , a pro bowl RB, top 5 OLs, etc. You guys are pathetic

He never had all of those at the same time like you make it sound.

Top 5 TE that didn’t play at all last year

#5 WR that missed all of TC and most of his rookie year (it takes time for WRs to break out, can’t just slap “#5” like it automatically means he is great)

Matthews walked ... had him 1 year

A probowl RB ... his rookie year

Top 5 OL ... not last year


You act like he had all these things at the same time and had failed to produce. He has had some of these at various times.
 
Right, that's all he had. Not a top 5 TE, a #5 overall pick at WR, a WR who averaged 60 YPG with Tanne Hill the year before coming here (and had one of his best games as a titan with Cassell playing QB) , a pro bowl RB, top 5 OLs, etc. You guys are pathetic

Matthews averaged more yards per reception in TN than he did with Mia

Also, how many years did it take for him to finally break out with Tanne? 5years?

He had his 2nd best season as a pro with MM, and likely builds on that last year if he doesn’t walk
 
He never had all of those at the same time like you make it sound.

Top 5 TE that didn’t play at all last year

#5 WR that missed all of TC and most of his rookie year (it takes time for WRs to break out, can’t just slap “#5” like it automatically means he is great)

Matthews walked ... had him 1 year

A probowl RB ... his rookie year

Top 5 OL ... not last year


You act like he had all these things at the same time and had failed to produce. He has had some of these at various times.
He had them all in 17 (minus the RB). Matthews, Walker were still good. Davis had some injury issues, but we saw in game one that when Mariota actually threw the ball to him, he looked good. Mariota just became extremely gun shy after his injury. Our OL was actually #1 in the league that year in terms of dropbacks per QB knockdown. There was plenty to suggest that 13 TDs 15 INTs were not the fault of the players around him. He was just really bad.
 
I’m gonna give abc all the ingredients to make a cake.

This week I’ll give him eggs. In a month, after the eggs expire, I’ll give him butter.

I’ll give him milk, but spill it all on the floor when handing it to him.

I’ll give him some flour, but only half as much as what the recipe calls for.

When I come back and taste the cake he makes, I’ll exclaim “Wtf ABC, this tastes like shit, you are a terrible baker”

He’ll respond “but I didn’t have the right ingredients”

I will say “what do you mean? I gave you everything in the recipe ... you are just making excuses. You are a terrible baker and you are fired”
 
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