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Those were defined, immaculately designed and called one read throws which any QB in the league could make. But go ahead and crown him.

Who is calling them one read throws?

If any qb in the league can make them, why doesn't every QB throw 4-5 TD's in a game? Or do you just think Arthur Smith is the greatest play caller in the league?
 
Pats - Brady just signed an extension through 2021
Bills - drafted Josh Allen
Jets - drafted Sam Darnold
Dolphins - ?? potential top 5-10 pick will take their own rookie QB

Texas - Watson
Jags - Signed Foles last year (and no they can't get out of that deal after one season)
Colts - ?? Maybe but they could also just re sign Brissett

Steelers - Big Ben signed through 2021
Ravens - drafted Lamar Jackson
Browns - drafted Baker Mayfield
Bengals - Andy Dalton signed through 2020. Potential top 10 pick.

Chiefs - Patrick Mahomes
Raiders - Derek Carr signed through 2022
Broncos - Joe Flacco still under contact but will likely be released; also drafted Drew Lock in the 2nd round. Also potential top 10 pick.
Chargers - Phillip Rivers is a FA but is on the record saying he wants to play 2 more years (Chargers' Philip Rivers: Not planning to retire anytime soon)

Dallas - Dak sounds like they are nearing an extension with him
Eagles - just signed Carson Wentz
Redskins - drafted Dwayne Haskins
Giants - drafted Daniel Jones

Packers - Aaron Rodgers
Vikings - Kirk Cousins signed through 2020
Lions - Matt Stafford signed through 2022
Chicago - drafted Mitch Trubisky.

New Orleans - Drew Brees signed through 2021
Panthers - Cam Newton signed through 2020
Atlanta Falcons - Matt Ryan signed through 2023
Tampa Bay - ?? likely top 5-10 pick and will pick their own rookie

49ers - Jimmy G signed through 2022
Rams - just signed Goff
Seattle - just signed Wilson
Cardinals - just drafted Kyler Murray

So at best there are 3 teams that don't have someone in place for 2020. 2 of which will most likely be picking in the top of the draft... and a deep QB class coming out a team could easily fall in love and draft a guy instead of committing huge money to one.


That’s odd, using that same list I count 11 teams that need a new franchise QB within the next 2 seasons.
Brady can opt out.
Brees can opt out.
Ben can opt out.


Patriots
Dolphins
Bengals
Steelers
Saints
Chargers
Broncos
Vikings
Panthers
Bucs
Colts
 
lol how old are you? how long have you watched football?
famous, popular, good looking players with cool names are the championship winners. Its not a supposed conspiracy. Its a simple business fact of a multi-billion entertainment business.

Ah, and now you've changed from commercials equals wins to Uniforms equals Super Bowls? Why?

i didnt change from anything. The point is theres multiple factors and the Titans dont get any of them in their advantage. they get the occasional early exit playoff and nothing more. its not hating, its not trolling, its not conspiracy. Its a understanding of a entertainment business.

LOL!

I've been watching football since the seventies. I'll let you figure out how old that makes me. How old are you?

If famous, popular good looking players with cool names are the championship winners...how come OBJ hasn't won? How come Warren Moon didn't win one? How come AB hasn't won one? How come Elliot hasn't won a championship. I just gave you 5 examples that DISPROVE your theory.

If it was a business 'fact,' I wouldn't be able to disprove it...but disprove it I can...and DID!!!

Try again!
 
So one thing that I kept hearing about the Browns game was that the OL was just a turnstile and Marcus was facing immediate pressure constantly.

Well that's not what I saw at all and according to Mike Herndon in his all 22 review, Marcus actually had more time to than any other QB in week 1. He went on to grade the OL as an A-. So I think that rhetoric needs to die.

Marcus did get some pressure, but it was more a product of how much play action we ran and trying to let thing's set up. But the OL actually did a damn good job against an extremely talented Browns front 7.

Olivier Vernon recorded 0 sacks, pressures, or QB hits the entire game while mostly facing Jack Conklin. Jamil Douglas posted a perfect pass grade as well for Herndon, so that's something else to breath a little easier about. The OL is going to be a strength for us going forward this year, especially once Lewan gets back.
 
You should go watch the game. He did fine as a game manager.

I've watched the game twice and the coaches film too!

So you can agree he was very effective for 3 of the 4 quarters? Game manager or whatever you want to call it, he played well (for 3 of the 4 quarters).
 
LOL!

I've been watching football since the seventies. I'll let you figure out how old that makes me. How old are you?

If famous, popular good looking players with cool names are the championship winners...how come OBJ hasn't won? How come Warren Moon didn't win one? How come AB hasn't won one? How come Elliot hasn't won a championship. I just gave you 5 examples that DISPROVE your theory.

If it was a business 'fact,' I wouldn't be able to disprove it...but disprove it I can...and DID!!!

Try again!
Wasting your time on DP Dan

That fool is retarded
 
So one thing that I kept hearing about the Browns game was that the OL was just a turnstile and Marcus was facing immediate pressure constantly.

Well that's not what I saw at all and according to Mike Herndon in his all 22 review, Marcus actually had more time to than any other QB in week 1. He went on to grade the OL as an A-. So I think that rhetoric needs to die.

Marcus did get some pressure, but it was more a product of how much play action we ran and trying to let thing's set up. But the OL actually did a damn good job against an extremely talented Browns front 7.

Olivier Vernon recorded 0 sacks, pressures, or QB hits the entire game while mostly facing Jack Conklin. Jamil Douglas posted a perfect pass grade as well for Herndon, so that's something else to breath a little easier about. The OL is going to be a strength for us going forward this year, especially once Lewan gets back.

So I'd say that a lot of pressures did come from playaction...show run to one side, roll out and the edge player...usually a LB gets a free rush to the qb. There were a lot of those pressures as the Browns crowded the line and had extra rushers to come that weren't blocked. Not thru any fault of the OL...just trying to catch them napping in a lot of ways. We must have run 90% of our screen concepts.

I would not say the OL was bad in this game pass blocking wise...but Herndon doesn't know what he's talking about. Look at the 2nd pass play of the game (the big playtion deep shot). Mariota can't fully step into the throw because Douglas gets beat to the inside and his guy gets a hit on Mariota! Giving up pressure and qb hits are not what coaches call a perfect pass blocking grade. He also got beat on pass play 14 where his guy drives him back and into Mariota who is just able to bounce off Douglass and flip it to Lewis. I wouldn't call that a win for Douglas as that's a 2nd qb pressure.

Conklin and Saffold also gave up a pressure if I remember correctly but I didn't go thru and grade everybody specifically. Additionally, in general, we kept in more blockers after about pass 12 so he had more protection. Mariota also did better with that pressure by usually getting away with throwing it away and took fewer sacks!!
 
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you are trying to cherry pick. I am of course referring to the long term stars. I also said theres more than one factor/variables. Dont be so myopic and simple minded.
its the tv era. They specifically pick guys who arent ugly,. youre going to call that a coincidence? theres no ugly people that are really good jocks? and their names, like actors, are fake as well. I mean.. actually sit and think for a minute. A guy considered the greatest ever/one of, Joe Montana.. theres no way in hell thats his real name.. Joe Montana on the 49ers! sounds like a western movie.. and he was a golden domer as well. thats too perfect. No one makes the league, named Dombrowski or lipschitts anymore. Most certainly not high profile positions. its a tv show now. As I said, theres more than one variable.Thats just one ingredient. Making Manning forehead jokes doesnt take away from my point.. but oh what a coincidence that he's such a great character actor,right? who on the Titans is nationally popular? I mean really popular. no one. thats a tell tell sign you wont be seeing a deep playoff run.
 
Who is calling them one read throws?

If any qb in the league can make them, why doesn't every QB throw 4-5 TD's in a game? Or do you just think Arthur Smith is the greatest play caller in the league?
The plays were literally designed to go to Walker and Henry and they weren't touched on two of them after catching it at the LOS. I get what you're saying, but let's be real.
 
you are trying to cherry pick. I am of course referring to the long term stars. I also said theres more than one factor/variables. Dont be so myopic and simple minded.
its the tv era. They specifically pick guys who arent ugly,. youre going to call that a coincidence? theres no ugly people that are really good jocks? and their names, like actors, are fake as well. I mean.. actually sit and think for a minute. A guy considered the greatest ever/one of, Joe Montana.. theres no way in hell thats his real name.. Joe Montana on the 49ers! sounds like a western movie.. and he was a golden domer as well. thats too perfect. No one makes the league, named Dombrowski or lipschitts anymore. Most certainly not high profile positions. its a tv show now. As I said, theres more than one variable.Thats just one ingredient. Making Manning forehead jokes doesnt take away from my point.. but oh what a coincidence that he's such a great character actor,right? who on the Titans is nationally popular? I mean really popular. no one. thats a tell tell sign you wont be seeing a deep playoff run.
This is the most odd argument for conspiracy I’ve ever read. The name is cool? I can’t think of anything more subjective except maybe going by looks.
Oh, you added that as well to the conspiracy.

Jags just had a deep playoff run. Who was the good looking star with a cool name that got them there?
Vikings just went same year. Who was there’s?
Rams in the SB, same question.

These are some of the least followed teams in the league as far as “nationally popular”.
 
you are trying to cherry pick. I am of course referring to the long term stars. I also said theres more than one factor/variables. Dont be so myopic and simple minded.
its the tv era. They specifically pick guys who arent ugly,. youre going to call that a coincidence? theres no ugly people that are really good jocks? and their names, like actors, are fake as well. I mean.. actually sit and think for a minute. A guy considered the greatest ever/one of, Joe Montana.. theres no way in hell thats his real name.. Joe Montana on the 49ers! sounds like a western movie.. and he was a golden domer as well. thats too perfect. No one makes the league, named Dombrowski or lipschitts anymore. Most certainly not high profile positions. its a tv show now. As I said, theres more than one variable.Thats just one ingredient. Making Manning forehead jokes doesnt take away from my point.. but oh what a coincidence that he's such a great character actor,right? who on the Titans is nationally popular? I mean really popular. no one. thats a tell tell sign you wont be seeing a deep playoff run.

Gardner Minshew is the hot name in the NFL nowdays. He plays for the Jags. What do you think about that one? Please tell us more, you make really good points. :brow:
 
Your thought process is that Mariota and Tannehill will have no suitors who will offer them starting money so why should we?

As I said before, the market for the last 20 years in the NFL tells you that you are wrong in your assessment because QB contracts are going thru the roof and most of those are not earned. Similarly, why would the Titans have paid Marcus $20mil this year if there were plenty of other QB's around? If Tannehill is the plan for 2020, why isn't he starting and why didn't they sign him to a deal which pays him backup money this year and escalates to starter money in 2020 and beyond?

They are due to supply and demand and there is simply not enough supply for the league atm. But let's not argue that obvious point. No GM in the league who feels his team is on the cusp of a real playoff team is gonna low ball his QB and HOPE a backup can also be signed for cheap (low ball him to?)...again this is based on the premise that Mariota plays well this year.

If you low ball Mariota, are we expecting to re-sign Tannehill to a backup level contract? If you take that route, Titans will not be his preferred destination. For one...many teams will need backup qb's and why would you want to be paid as a backup hear when someone might pay you more somewhere else,,,but even if they didn't, you could play hear for backup money...produce like Mariota...only to be lowballed by the Titans?

Your scenario most likely means no Mariota and no Tannehill on the Titans in 2020. If that's the case, who's playing QB for the Titans in 2020?

GM's get fired for making mistakes like this. Plus, no QB on the roster that can start means you'll get fleeced in any trade situation as EVERYONE will know you are desparate. Not a good idea, man.

If they were gonna low ball him, they would have done it last off-season where they can try and sign him for less based on his lower stats. If he has good stats and you low ball him and Tannehill goes somewhere else...what would YOU do to fill our starting QB role in 2020?

When did I say Mariota wouldn’t get starter money?
 
If they knew they were moving on from Bortles, why did they sign him to an extension that would cost them a $16mil dead cap charge to cut him this season? If they KNEW they were getting Foles and wanted him, why waste the extra money and cap hit on Bortles? Simply because they can't know for sure until Foles is actually available. The Eagles went back and forth about it.

How many teams showed interest in Foles? I'm not his agent so I don't know...do you? But if there arenot enough landing spots for starters in this league so teams can lowball the Mariota's of the world, why didn't Foles get lowballed? For a guy with his stats and injury concerns, he got a hell of a lot of money! Why if the league has so many good QB's?

I'd imagine a lot of teams would be interested in Foles as a backup qb...but then why would the Jags compete against themselves to pay him big money (for his stats/injuries, ect)? Shouldn't they have lowballed him and paid him like $10mil/yr with maybe $15mil sb? He'll avg double that in annual value and his guarantees on signing are basically $45mil! Why sign him to that contract when no one else wanted him to start?

He's the perfect example of a team paying what they think is a fair market price...even if they have no competition.

Did you know that contract had a clause where the dead cap would be less if he signed elsewhere?
 
You're crazy if you think teams will be trying to get Marcus as their starting QB. If any teams gives him good chunk of starting money is a team thats trying to fill the void until they find their guy. 1/2 years gap.

Marcus is atrocious. How he still has defenders I will never know. At no point in his career has he ever been above average, and he is certainly not better now than he was a rookie/sophomore. This is his last year starting in the NFL.
 
Summary...teams that could need a qb in 2020 are TB, Panthers, Broncos, Raiders, Bengals, Colts, and Dolphins. That's SEVEN teams. Will they all need new QB's? Probably not. But it could certainly be 5+!

Could also see potential retirement from NE, Pitt, Saints, Chargers opening up a spot or two.

Any number over 2 and we'll have competition for Mariota. ANY single team that doesn't pick high would be competition for Mariota (since they won't be in rebuilding mode).

As a backup, Tannehill could have a dozen or more suitors so he'll have job offers elsewhere for backup money he could take over our situation.


Details if you want to read them...

The problem with your theory is this all looks fine on paper when you remove injuries and the human element out of it. But...

What if Brady wins another SB and decides to retire and they don't think Stiddam is ready? Possible destination.

What if Josh Allen doesn't play well this season and they decide to bring in a Vet for competition. Didn't we just do that? possible landing spot for Marcus or Tannehil as a backup.

What if Darnold doesn't play well after he comes back from mono? The HC is gonna be under a lot of pressure to get W's...same as Buffalo.

Keep in mind, since these guys ARE on new rookie deals, teams aren't glued to them financially and can bring in a vet with starter money without wrecking their cap.

Dolphins likely take a top 5 guy...but also could want a vet backup like Tannehill to tutor and or start in case the rook isn't ready.

Texans may want a vet backup and Watson has been very banged up. Could need a backup next year.

Jags need a vet backup now! Could really need one in the off-season!!!

Colts don't look like a team that's bad enough to pick high enough for a qb. Definitely a possible landing spot for a starting QB and or a backup!

Big Ben is signed thru 2021, but has also talked about retiring for the last 3-4 years. If they have a down year due to AB and Lev Bell being gone...maybe he takes his money and retires. Would he want to stick around for a rebuild?

Lamar Jackson looked awesome in week 1 but hasn't it been an NFL rule that you can't survive at QB having a run first qb? High injury risk!

Bengals - Dalton will be in his last year. Do they want him to be a $17mil+ cap hit next year? If they cut him, no dead money and $17+mil cap space! Do they keep him? Probably not. Good chance he gets cut and they go in another direction. If they pick high enough, they draft a qb. If not, probably looking for a new starter and maybe draft someone in round 2-4 to develop while they hope for the best. Potential landing spot.

Raiders - definitely a potential landing spot. Carr has been overpaid for a while and hasn't looked good in recent years. If he doesn't play well, the Raiders could free up $16+mil by cutting him and signing someone else and/or let Mayock/Gruden draft a new guy! Potential landing spot.

Broncos likely to take a high pick or sign a new vet starter. potential landing spot.

Chargers -Rivers is a free agent. Time to move on? Potential landing spot as they won't pick high enough to draft a guy to start next year and if Rivers doesn't come back...potential landing spot.

Eagles and Dallas are definitely backup QB landing spots.

Saints are potential landing spot if Brees retires. No idea what Bridgwater is gonna be yet so they'd be in play if Brees goes.

Panthers are definitely a realistic possibility for a backup and a vet starter! Cam has been hurt and is still playing hurt. His stats have not been what people expect and the Panther save quite a lot of cap room if they cut him! Mariota has a higher career qb rating and a higher qbr the last 3 years. And that's not even taking into account Mariot improving on his own numbers a good bit!

TB - Likely top 5 pick...but also could take a vet qb as backup or to start if they don't pick high or need a vet backup to hold the fort until the rook is ready.

I already broke down team by team. Go look at contracts. You cant just say a team will move on from a QB without consequence.
 
That’s odd, using that same list I count 11 teams that need a new franchise QB within the next 2 seasons.
Brady can opt out.
Brees can opt out.
Ben can opt out.


Patriots
Dolphins
Bengals
Steelers
Saints
Chargers
Broncos
Vikings
Panthers
Bucs
Colts

You think the Patriots, Saints, Chargers, Steelers are going to sign Marcus over their current QB’s?

The Vikings who are projected to be $3 million over the cap for 2020 currently. Would take a $31 million hit in dead money to move on from Cousins and then somehow find enough money to sign Marcus to a massive contract. Lmao!!!

This isn’t madden people. There are real contracts and money involved here.

Hahahahahahahahaha this board is something else man. I swear.
 
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This is the most odd argument for conspiracy I’ve ever read. The name is cool? I can’t think of anything more subjective except maybe going by looks.
Oh, you added that as well to the conspiracy.

Jags just had a deep playoff run. Who was the good looking star with a cool name that got them there?
Vikings just went same year. Who was there’s?
Rams in the SB, same question.

These are some of the least followed teams in the league as far as “nationally popular”.
did jags make sb? nope.
they give the poor teams just enough hope to drag them along but they never finish. Houston oilers never went.. only after they moved and were building a new stadium9Titans) , they got the privilege to lose an SB to the Rams who were also moving..
its about the money, not competition.
 
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