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VondyP said:
ive been saying this for a while. we could also go ansah or wilkerson and give them 2-3 years to really give us some cushion
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Im not a fan on Ansah. He's had injury and performance issues and is a better 4-3 DE fit. Wilkerson needs a prove it deal coming off a major...ankle I think...to show he can get back to form.Wilk is gonna want a high upside if he's getting paid prove it money for multiple years which is why I think he isn't signed. I think he'll want like $7+ for one year to prove he can play and then the chips fall where they will. But if he balls out...you're back to the Suh problem...paying top dollar for top 10 production.

To me, it's worth it...especially when we have the cap space and no long term commitment. If we don't get a DT...no problem. If we get one late, no prob. Even if we get one in round 1...makes our front 7 THAT much better as we can play casey, suh, and the high pick as much as they can. No downside.
 
Gut said:
I'd disagree on your valuation of Suh last year. In combined tackles he's tied for 8th with Aaron Donald league-wide. Casey had only 2 more than them. He tied Casey for solo tackles (12th best in the league). Difference is, Casey and Donald don't have to play NT...Suh does and can. Suh is a fairly unique player in that he can play NT, stack double teams and make it hard to run. At the same time, he can slide out and rush the passer well. He's a very nice piece to have on your D and he made an impact in the post-season last year. So I mentioned Suh, Casey, and Donald being ranked high. Wanna guess how many of our other DL made the top 48? O is a good guess. DQJones is our next best. He was 80th in combined tackles and 95th in solo tackles. I think you can see the vast difference in quality.

You might say...he 'only' had 4.5 sacks...but he did have 57 pressures during the regular season (which is a good amount for an interior DL) and 9 in the postseason (2 MORE than Donald)!

He's a difference maker AND very durable and has great stamina. If he doesn't lead all DT's in defensive snaps, he's got to be close. And teams won't catch us in a base D with run stoppers on the DL who can't rush the passer.

While he's expensive, you get the equivalent play of a 1st round DT (that we could take between 15 and 19) while at the same time drafting another position...giving us DOUBLE the impact. While it's not a long term solution, it is our best shot at getting the most bang for our buck (and draft) this year.

He's also just a one year commitment.
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I guess the real question is, are we looking to make a run this year? If so, give him a 2 year deal and structure so we can cut him after 1 year. If we're looking more long term, then he's not the answer.
 
TitanMark said:
Not at all ... Because they have 1 or 2 superstars and just a bunch of guys who play well in the system. They don’t get guys selected period.
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Not entirely true. 2018 backs up your point but every year for at least the previous 10, they bottom out at minimum of 4. the article goes back to 2009 but this is the last 4 years.

2015 - butler, Collins, Jones, Brady, Gronk, gostkowski, Slater.

2016 - Brady, Slater, McCourty, Hightower.

2017 - develin, Slater, gronk, Brady

2018 - Brady, Gilmore

Patriots Pro Bowl selections the lowest in last 9 seasons – Boston Herald

For sake of comparison, titans have 2,5,6,3 over the same 4 years. DW, Lewan, Kern, Murray, orakpo, Casey, trawick, byaard.
 
I think JROB would be better served going to the more affordable, and long term solution at DT as opposed to just signing Suh for a year...

The validity of us taking a 1st round DT becomes stronger and stronger every day we DON'T bring in a DT from FA...

2016 - Biggest Need(s), RT & FS NONE brought in from FA
2017 - Biggest Need(s), WR & CB.... ONE brought in from FA, Logan Ryan (but we were already down 2)
2018 - Biggest Need(s), MLB & OLB... NO Olbs from FA, and 1 3rd stringer for MLB (Will Compton)



2019 - Biggest Needs(s), DT while WR and OLB duke it out..
 
Johnnyb said:
I guess the real question is, are we looking to make a run this year? If so, give him a 2 year deal and structure so we can cut him after 1 year. If we're looking more long term, then he's not the answer.
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We are looking to maximize the talent on the field. No matter who we draft, Suh would help us by giving us a top 10 talent at his position. You ALWAYS want to make a run but we have the cap space. Is there something better to spend it on this year?
 
Broken Arrow said:
I think JROB would be better served going to the more affordable, and long term solution at DT as opposed to just signing Suh for a year...

The validity of us taking a 1st round DT becomes stronger and stronger every day we DON'T bring in a DT from FA...

2016 - Biggest Need(s), RT & FS NONE brought in from FA
2017 - Biggest Need(s), WR & CB.... ONE brought in from FA, Logan Ryan (but we were already down 2)
2018 - Biggest Need(s), MLB & OLB... NO Olbs from FA, and 1 3rd stringer for MLB (Will Compton)



2019 - Biggest Needs(s), DT while WR and OLB duke it out..
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Arguably, biggest needs are RG or OC or both, OLB future starter or part time player/depth, pass rushing DT and or NT (if they aren't the same guy), #2 WR, heir backup/future star at TE, heir/future star at ILB. Could narrow that down to (not in any particular order...OC/OG, WR, OLB, DT, TE. Only questions are, what are your priorities and how does the draft match those priorities with prospects at those positions (in those rounds).
 
Gut said:
Arguably, biggest needs are RG or OC or both, OLB future starter or part time player/depth, pass rushing DT and or NT (if they aren't the same guy), #2 WR, heir backup/future star at TE, heir/future star at ILB. Could narrow that down to (not in any particular order...OC/OG, WR, OLB, DT, TE. Only questions are, what are your priorities and how does the draft match those priorities with prospects at those positions (in those rounds).
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My priority is to whup butt, especially the Colts, and I am open to any path that takes.
 
Gut said:
We are looking to maximize the talent on the field. No matter who we draft, Suh would help us by giving us a top 10 talent at his position. You ALWAYS want to make a run but we have the cap space. Is there something better to spend it on this year?
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I actually would prefer a guy like Timmy Jernigan. Younger, had really good production when he played in this defensive system in Baltimore, is scheme versatile, and would be very solid opposite Casey.
 
Johnnyb said:
I actually would prefer a guy like Timmy Jernigan. Younger, had really good production when he played in this defensive system in Baltimore, is scheme versatile, and would be very solid opposite Casey.
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Two things. We aren't looking for a 'solid' guy but would hopefully get a difference maker (like Suh). The other issue with Jernigan is he's coming off major back surgery so unless we got him on a cheap incentive laden prove it deal...I wouldn't touch him.
 
Gut said:
Two things. We aren't looking for a 'solid' guy but would hopefully get a difference maker (like Suh). The other issue with Jernigan is he's coming off major back surgery so unless we got him on a cheap incentive laden prove it deal...I wouldn't touch him.
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Well he was a difference maker with legit pocket pushing ability in Baltimore. I'm sure the reason he hasn't been signed yet is the injury concern, but if healthy, I'd love to bring him in.
 
Titanup1982 said:
Bucs wasn't playing around.
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What's Suh deal worth?

10? 12?

I mean they cut McCoy to save 13 so it cant be his usual fee of 14 right
 
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