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I've been burning through the Friday the 13th series in order. Haven't seen any of these movies (outside of Freddy vs. Jason and the F13 remake) in the past 15 years or so.

Have they always been this unremarkable and average?

 

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I've been burning through the Friday the 13th series in order. Haven't seen any of these movies (outside of Freddy vs. Jason and the F13 remake) in the past 15 years or so.

Have they always been this unremarkable and average?

For me there is nostalgic value in the first four or so F13 movies but these are mostly not-great films - and they get A LOT worse as they go. The Manhattan movie is one of the worst PoS ever made.
I think the original remains a classic - and I'm partial to our old pal Adrienne King. The same could be said for Halloween and Elm Street.. Good firsts but went south fast (though I'll watch every Halloween movie with a big smile on my face)...

 

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For me there is nostalgic value in the first four or so F13 movies but these are mostly not-great films - and they get A LOT worse as they go. The Manhattan movie is one of the worst PoS ever made.
I think the original remains a classic - and I'm partial to our old pal Adrienne King. The same could be said for Halloween and Elm Street.. Good firsts but went south fast (though I'll watch every Halloween movie with a big smile on my face)...

That's kind of how I'm feeling. The nostalgia is there but looking at them through more discerning eyes for the first time ever, I'm realizing they are not necessarily great movies. There are moments in each one but also several issues. Mostly, watching these back-to-back it's impossible to ignore just how many ideas/scenes/kills they completely rehash from movie to movie. I'm four movies in so far and I'd say The Final Chapter is my favorite, with the original being close behind.

I can appreciate how the original had a different thing going. But that is also what makes it kind of rough. Once the killer is revealed the fight/climax is just so, so lame.

 

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I don't know... Jason X, IN SPACE!, was pretty solid.

 

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The ending of 1 is probably not popularly regarded as a great action sequence but I still love it. These are revered people and the finale is pretty brief. Taso's hairy knuckles, Ari Leyman etc. To me Betsy Palmer is profoundly scarier than Jason. The personality etc. She is Norman Bates weird mom back from the dead.
Rewatch this sequence and note the progression of the action to the score etc. The ups and downs. It is better than advertised I'd say.

That's kind of how I'm feeling. The nostalgia is there but looking at them through more discerning eyes for the first time ever, I'm realizing they are not necessarily great movies. There are moments in each one but also several issues. Mostly, watching these back-to-back it's impossible to ignore just how many ideas/scenes/kills they completely rehash from movie to movie. I'm four movies in so far and I'd say The Final Chapter is my favorite, with the original being close behind.

I can appreciate how the original had a different thing going. But that is also what makes it kind of rough. Once the killer is revealed the fight/climax is just so, so lame.

 

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I've been burning through the Friday the 13th series in order. Haven't seen any of these movies (outside of Freddy vs. Jason and the F13 remake) in the past 15 years or so.

Have they always been this unremarkable and average?

I didn't see any of them until adulthood, and they are uninteresting films... Halloween didn't really do much for me, either. Sometimes the legend of things is way better than the real thing.

I thought the first Evil Dead was scarier than both of these.

 

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I don't know... Jason X, IN SPACE!, was pretty solid.

Joking aside, that movie is actually better than it should be considering the absurd premise. WAY better than the films surrounding it.

 

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I didn't see any of them until adulthood, and they are uninteresting films... Halloween didn't really do much for me, either. Sometimes the legend of things is way better than the real thing.

I thought the first Evil Dead was scarier than both of these.

I've seen some of the Halloween movies in recent years and I'd say, for the most, they've held up much better than F13. Particularly the original Halloween which I consider an all-time classic of the genre.

With F13 though, it seems like the movies themselves never actually managed to live up to the striking visuals of Jason and that creepy music. I kind of feel the same way about Chucky (even though I do love the first two Child's Play movies). He's such a cool and visually interesting villain, but most of the movies fail to do the character justice.

 

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The Evil Dead is a sledgehammer where Halloween is far more subtle.
Aside from profound nostalgic halloween season value I think what's genius about Halloween is never Michael Myers or Lauri Strode - it's all the subtle stuff that happens around them. The backdrop, the score. Some of the dialogue.. The little girl being scared by The Thing on TV.
I have an audio only clip of the scene between Loomis and the cemetery man that precedes some tunes on a music mix and if you hear this bit a few times you realize the genius of this scene. I doubt it's on youtube but I'll look.

I didn't see any of them until adulthood, and they are uninteresting films... Halloween didn't really do much for me, either. Sometimes the legend of things is way better than the real thing.

I thought the first Evil Dead was scarier than both of these.

 

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The ending of 1 is probably not popularly regarded as a great action sequence but I still love it. These are revered people and the finale is pretty brief. Taso's hairy knuckles, Ari Leyman etc. To me Betsy Palmer is profoundly scarier than Jason. The personality etc. She is Norman Bates weird mom back from the dead.
Rewatch this sequence and note the progression of the action to the score etc. The ups and downs. It is better than advertised I'd say.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's terrible. I do love the initial reveal. It's just all the half-assed rolling around and shoving.... it feels a bit like a letdown after all this tension had been built throughout the entire movie. I recognize part of that is simply watching a low-budget 1980 movie through 2016 eyes.

 

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Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's terrible. I do love the initial reveal. It's just all the half-assed rolling around and shoving.... it feels a bit like a letdown after all this tension had been built throughout the entire movie. I recognize part of that is simply watching a low-budget 1980 movie through 2016 eyes.

It's an, ahem battle between a very small-framed 5' teenage girl and a fragile old lady who only took the role to get enough money to get her car fixed.
I'll go for that all day long over choreographed Matrix fighting!

 

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I've always thought that character was waaaaaaaayyyyyy overrated. Which is why I was so surprised that I loved the movie as much as I did.


It's been going for quite a bit more than that since the movie got announced... assuming it was in nice condition of course. Most mainstream 90's comics are worthless because that was the height of collecting as a hobby and there were huge print runs. But that 1st appearance of Deadpool as well as 1st Harley Quinn are both really valuable.

I picked it up with a 9.0 grade for $75. I couldn't get anyone to pull the trigger on it, even with it signed by Rob Liefeld when I was in NYC for ComicCon. Dude is a total douche in person.

 

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It's an, ahem battle between a very small-framed 5' teenage girl and a fragile old lady who only took the role to get enough money to get her car fixed.
I'll go for that all day long over choreographed Matrix fighting!

Yeah I hear ya. I just wish it had never come down to hand-to-hand combat, given the participants.

 

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I picked it up with a 9.0 grade for $75. I couldn't get anyone to pull the trigger on it, even with it signed by Rob Liefeld when I was in NYC for ComicCon. Dude is a total douche in person.

Yeah I've heard that about him. Funny because he's regarded as one of the worst "big name" comic book artists out there.

 

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I haven't seen it yet, but this seems to be the consensus.

"Deadpool wasn't that. Deadpool was its own thing," Gunn continued. "THAT'S what people are reacting to. It's original, it's damn good, it was made with love by the filmmakers, and it wasn't afraid to take risks." Gunn, currently hard at work on Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, was particularly frustrated by a quote from a Hollywood executive, who said in a Deadline post that the Ryan Reynolds–starring snarkfest succeeded because it was "poking fun at Marvel." Gunn wrote in response: "What do you think Favreau and Downey did in Iron Man? What the **** was Ant-Man??!"

James Gunn: Deadpool Might Teach Wrong Lessons -- Vulture

Yesterday I posted an article about how James Gunn is afraid Deadpool's success as an R rated super hero movie will give rise to a lot of unnecessary R rated super hero movies.

Today I post an article about Wolverine 3 aiming for an R rating.
Wolverine 3 Targeting R Rating | Comicbook.com

 

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Yesterday I post an article about James Gunn is afraid Deadpool's success as an R rated super hero movie will give rise to a lot of unnecessary R rated super hero movies.

Today I post an article about Wolverine 3 aiming for an R rating.
Wolverine 3 Targeting R Rating | Comicbook.com

I don't particularly see that as necessarily a bad thing. Just depends on the character. A grittier, more violent Wolverine movie could be pretty badass IMO. That said, it might be better suited for the inevitable future reboot given the tone of the 1st two Wolverine movies that's already been established.

 

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The article spells out the differences and Gunn is probably correct IMO.
Haven't seen Deadpool and probably won't until it comes to the small screen so I reserve full judgement until then..

I don't particularly see that as necessarily a bad thing. Just depends on the character. A grittier, more violent Wolverine movie could be pretty badass IMO. That said, it might be better suited for the inevitable future reboot given the tone of the 1st two Wolverine movies that's already been established.

 

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I don't particularly see that as necessarily a bad thing. Just depends on the character. A grittier, more violent Wolverine movie could be pretty badass IMO. That said, it might be better suited for the inevitable future reboot given the tone of the 1st two Wolverine movies that's already been established.

If the vision of the movie or character calls for an R rating then by all means, go for the R. Making movies R rated just because is stupid though. I'm not saying that's what's going on with Wolverine, but it sure is convenient timing.

Terminator would have sucked as PG-13. The Dark Knight would have benefited zero with some blood and an R rating.

 

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The article spells out the differences and Gunn is probably correct IMO.
Haven't seen Deadpool and probably won't until it comes to the small screen so I reserve full judgement until then..

I didn't even read the article. Was just speaking generally. Of course there are always going to be imitators trying to rip off a mega-hit. I say let em go for it. I don't have to go see it if it looks bad.

 

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If the vision of the movie or character calls for an R rating then by all means, go for the R. Making movies R rated just because is stupid though. I'm not saying that's what's going on with Wolverine, but it sure is convenient timing.

Terminator would have sucked as PG-13. The Dark Knight would have benefited zero with some blood and an R rating.

Yeah I pretty much agree with all that. Forcing a movie into a R rating because Deadpool was a hit is obviously a stupid/bad idea. On the flip side Deadpool did prove that a R-rated superhero movie can be a huge hit. So of course there are going to be others to follow. Yes whether or not it's a good idea or not depends on the character and the quality of the script. I think we're all in agreement on that.