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Like who? I've mentioned it 100x!!!
Drinking last night? Phew calm down...And yes, I hear you Mary swingers praise him and point finders at everyone else daily. Show me the threads or talk where everyone is agreeing to that! I’ve seen so much chit talk about our line and how basically everyone sucks around Mariota and we are 5 years in. He is what he is, and the line isn’t that bad. Could it use help? Sure, but that’s many teams. People are instantly labeled “haters” because we bring up valid points with crappy stats to back it, and fanboys on here lose their chit. I can see both sides point of view, but at this point, I need more from Mary, and that includes his play and health. I’m lowering my expectations, but I’ll hope for the best naturally.
 
Henry never played poorly. He just didn’t get the touches he needed. If you actually played and coached football, you would know this.

We evaluate players on a play by play basis. I know in 5-10 carries if he's looking 'right' or not. A guy like Henry needs touches but you also have to coach the game offensively based on game plan and what the other team is doing. But I digress...

So he played like a beast in every game? If he played poorly the first 18 attempts of a game, do you think he's still playing well and would be amazing if we just gave him the ball another 7-12 times? At what # of carries does that beast mode kick in?

If he had 4 carries, that's one thing, but he was supposed to be the feature back. If you carry the ball 10 times and get me a 2.5ypc, that's a big problem.

His carries by game were 10, 18, 18, 8, 11, 7, 12, 6, 11, 9, 8, 10, 17, 33, 21, 16. According to you, he should only have performed well given enough carries which I would assume you mean at least 20 or 25? He only got that twice. It only took his 17 carries to annihilate the Jags for 230+yards...and 16 carries the last game of the season to get his 93 yds...so why with 18 carries in weeks 2 and 3 did he perform poorly? In week 1 he had 10 carries avging 2.6ypc. That's not good.

A good sign a rb is not playing well is how many carries he gets over time. There can be a game here or there that have nothing to do with him (like you fall behind by 4 td's and need to throw more than you want to). But a reduction in carries over time is telling and his carries were reduced after week 3. Now you can argue his ypc are not so accurate on 10 carries, but that's enough carries to see what he's doing. Additionally, his last 4 games last year were not good either (between 1.8 - 3.1 ypc) and the 1.8ypc was on 28 carries. Did he have enough carries in that game?

But even Henry knew and said he wasn't playing well. I would think he'd know. Additionally, the Titans seriously considered trading him because he was playing so poorly.

I guess the player, OC, coach, and GM disagree with you.

Mariota has not shown that he is a franchise QB. Do I want him to be one? Yes. But, there is absolutely zero evidence that he is.

He has shown that he has the skills to be that. But some backup qb's show the skills but are never consistent enough to be franchise players. So the questions for Mariota are can he stay healthy and be more consistent with his A-level games and not have 4 good games 8 avg games and 4 bad ones.

You tend to type a lot of words. I think a lot of people on this board value your ability to type a lot of words.

Unless I'm a secretary, why would anyone value my ability to type a lot of words? LOL I think the ONLY people who value me typing a lot of words are the people who understand or gain insight from my lengthier posts where I explain the context or reasoning behind something to further their knowledge.

Unfortunately, your opinion means as much as the people you despise on this board. Give it a rest.

I should give what a rest? Calling out haters who make stuff up just to bash our QB? People who take one stat and claims it means something it doesn't? Or explaining that ALL the players on the team should be held accountable for their play? One of the reasons I like JRob and Vrabel are not because they are perfect - they aren't - but they have the right idea on how to run the team. One of the most important aspects of ANY successful team is holding everyone accountable! Give it a rest? Nah...I'm well rested!

But thanks for the suggestion!

And thank you for trying to put words in my mouth. I don't despise anyone on the board. But I am curious...if you think my opinion means nothing and all I type are a bunch of words...why do you waste your time reading just a bunch of words that have no value to you? More importantly, why do you waste your time responding to my posts?
 
Drinking last night?

LOL...not yet!

Phew calm down...And yes, I hear you Mary swingers praise him and point finders at everyone else daily.

Again, you're repeating things that aren't true. Again. If you're not a hater, why would you do that???

Show me the threads or talk where everyone is agreeing to that! I’ve seen so much chit talk about our line and how basically everyone sucks around Mariota and we are 5 years in. He is what he is, and the line isn’t that bad. Could it use help? Sure, but that’s many teams.

What disagreement do you have with the OL comments? Did Jones play well last year...leading the league in sacks at OC? Did you think Kline and Spain played well enough to keep their jobs and should be starting this year? Did you think they played well, avg, or below avg? How well did you think Conklin played last year? If you think any of these guys played well, let's hear it.

And for the Mariota stuff, go re-read the 100 pages of disagreements on Mariota. I have criticized him and continue to AGREE that he himself needs to play better too or he's gone after next season. I have never said that all of his problems are everyone else's fault. I have gone out of my way to point out EVERYONE's problems...INCLUDING Mariota's. ALL players should be held accountable for their play. Do you disagree with that???

People are instantly labeled “haters” because we bring up valid points with crappy stats to back it, and fanboys on here lose their chit.

No one has labeled anyone a hater for a legitimate complaint about Mariota. When ABC 'misuses' a stat to make an incorrect claim about Mariota and then blames him for not doing something ABC made up...that COULD be a mistake. But after it is explained thoroughly that the stat does not mean what he thought it meant and then he goes right back to the incorrect claims which are easily provably false by anyone WATCHING a game, it's hatred. When people MAKE UP stuff to bash him, then that's hatred. What else would you call it?

Do you think valid criticism is fair for all players...or just the QB???
 
If an OL whiffs and gets the QB killed, should I blame the QB or the guy who gave up the free rush?

If a wr can't get open or drops a perfectly thrown ball, should I blame the QB, or the person responsible?

When Henry was playing poorly before December, should we blame Henry and the OL for not getting him holes? Or should we blame the QB?

I've played and coached football. I call out players who aren't playing well...including Mariota. When ABC put up some video on one of these threads, I pointed out where Mariota threw a perfect pass to Taylor who dropped it (would have been a TD) but on another throw to CD, CD had to sky high and reach way back for it. It was a GREAT catch and a terrible throw. Don't you think we should hold all of the players accountable for what they do?

The difference is, I don't HATE Mariota or any other player or coach.

I want the team to WIN and you can only get better by understanding the problems...not by blaming the QB for everything.
Being a GB fan , the contrast between the way other people view a team's QB and the way that TN fans view Mariota is stark.
Rodgers receives criticism for achieving only one SB, despite his numbers being fantastic , an obvious lack of talent around him which is apparent when he's inured, being paired with poor defenses and coaching, and all of his playoff losses generally not being his fault . He does his job exceptionally well and has the highest QB rating of all time, but people won't call him the greatest QB simply because of the # of SB rings.

On the other hand, Mariota doesn't receive blame for the struggles of his own passing offense. For The unit whose success he has a direct impact on, he's held relatively blameless for the lack of production and receives excuses which make it sound like he's playing with a CFL team around him.

If an OL misses a block, I'm blaming them. If a WR has a drop, I'm blaming them for that play as all. But if the QB throws an average of 2,800 yards and 12 TDs/12 INTs over the course of two season, I'm putting the majority of the blame on him. It's difficult to achieve such poor numbers during any period of the NFL's existence, let alone one which doesn't allow defenders to hit receivers or pass rushers to hit QBs. He's just bad, and it'svery difficult to overcome poor QB play. Which is why people are frustrated.
 
LOL...not yet!



Again, you're repeating things that aren't true. Again. If you're not a hater, why would you do that???



What disagreement do you have with the OL comments? Did Jones play well last year...leading the league in sacks at OC? Did you think Kline and Spain played well enough to keep their jobs and should be starting this year? Did you think they played well, avg, or below avg? How well did you think Conklin played last year? If you think any of these guys played well, let's hear it.

And for the Mariota stuff, go re-read the 100 pages of disagreements on Mariota. I have criticized him and continue to AGREE that he himself needs to play better too or he's gone after next season. I have never said that all of his problems are everyone else's fault. I have gone out of my way to point out EVERYONE's problems...INCLUDING Mariota's. ALL players should be held accountable for their play. Do you disagree with that???



No one has labeled anyone a hater for a legitimate complaint about Mariota. When ABC 'misuses' a stat to make an incorrect claim about Mariota and then blames him for not doing something ABC made up...that COULD be a mistake. But after it is explained thoroughly that the stat does not mean what he thought it meant and then he goes right back to the incorrect claims which are easily provably false by anyone WATCHING a game, it's hatred. When people MAKE UP stuff to bash him, then that's hatred. What else would you call it?

Do you think valid criticism is fair for all players...or just the QB???
Hey, I’m glad you can see both sides. I don’t feel everyone does, or at least, it doesn’t appear so...That said, yes...I do criticize all players where due..but the QB is generally the guy paid the most, the captain, the guy with the ball the most...So they are absolutely under the microscope more. If you have ever managed, you would understand. With the extra pay and responsibility, comes extra criticism and consequence when warranted. I think Mary can be amazing and fun to watch, but he can also be pitiful...and if we want to get to the next level, he better get healthy and that consistency down. We can’t be 5 years in and pointing the finger elsewhere all the time. He is just as accountable if not more so.
 
[QUOTE="abc2330, post: 1868527, member: 14374"]Being a GB fan , the contrast between the way other people view a team's QB and the way that TN fans view Mariota is stark.
Rodgers receives criticism for achieving only one SB, despite his numbers being fantastic , an obvious lack of talent around him which is apparent when he's inured, being paired with poor defenses and coaching, and all of his playoff losses generally not being his fault . He does his job exceptionally well and has the highest QB rating of all time, but people won't call him the greatest QB simply because of the # of SB rings.

On the other hand, Mariota doesn't receive blame for the struggles of his own passing offense. For The unit whose success he has a direct impact on, he's held relatively blameless for the lack of production and receives excuses which make it sound like he's playing with a CFL team around him.

If an OL misses a block, I'm blaming them. If a WR has a drop, I'm blaming them for that play as all. But if the QB throws an average of 2,800 yards and 12 TDs/12 INTs over the course of two season, I'm putting the majority of the blame on him. It's difficult to achieve such poor numbers during any period of the NFL's existence, let alone one which doesn't allow defenders to hit receivers or pass rushers to hit QBs. He's just bad, and it'svery difficult to overcome poor QB play. Which is why people are frustrated.[/QUOTE]


I think we know all we need to know from that 1st sentence.

Take that ass beating we handed to you a few years back and some cheese and shove it up your
 
Being a GB fan , the contrast between the way other people view a team's QB and the way that TN fans view Mariota is stark

It should be. Rodgers is one of the most talented QB's in NFL history. As you mentioned, he has perhaps the highest qb rating in history...yet only has 1 SB win. So why are you comparing our QB - who is not even in the top 10 of the league - to one of the greatest QB's in NFL history? Should we make the same comparison for all of our other players? No. None of them are fair comparisons. Try comparing Mariota to a non-hall of fame qb.

On the other hand, Mariota doesn't receive blame for the struggles of his own passing offense.

Who is not blaming him for HIS play? You keep saying this...yet there is no proof. In fact, read through the threads. There is PLENTY of blame on Mariota. Don't you think ALL players should be held accountable for their play? Or do you just feel Mariota is the only responsible one? On second thought, I know from your previous answers you hold Mariota responsible for everything...when you said we can't judge wr's before year 3 or 4 and no matter how bad the OL plays, it's up to Mariota to make super human plays that impress the h3ll out of you.

If an OL misses a block, I'm blaming them. If a WR has a drop, I'm blaming them for that play as all.

So if he throws 3 passes that should be TD's but two are dropped by the wr's...you blame the wr's on those plays but blame the QB for the lack of production overall?

Do you think any of the criticism of the players surrounding Mariota is unfair or unjust? And frankly, as I said in the previous paragraph, your previous posts have indicated you don't blame wr's for not getting open or dropped passes nor the OL for poor play. By the number of threads you turn into bashing Mariota, you appear to only hold one player accountable for everyone's actions.

That's a bad way to assess a football team and it's players.
 
Try again. I blame him for HIS bad play. I just don't blame him for others poor play.

I was being a smart ass


Id find the link for more context but I dont feel like searching today lol. Some of these people think that a few people is everyone.
 
I was being a smart ass


Id find the link for more context but I dont feel like searching today lol. Some of these people think that a few people is everyone.
Wow, you stepped into a bitchfight, no?


Let that be a lesson to you, youngster*








*and by youngster I mean every male person who has ever graced this planet (except DW, but I did say "male")
 
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