- Thread starter
- #41
Too bad Munch and Webster lacked the foresight to try that approach.
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Too bad Munch and Webster lacked the foresight to try that approach.Hindsight, but rusty smith 2011 could have equaled Luck 2012.
Pretty bad you have to compare him to a 1995 QB in a Jeff Fisher offense in order to make him look good
J/K
How low are we setting the bar? I don't think anyone even considered the Young comparison. You may as well compare Mariota's numbers with Gabbert.
I think the change in 05’ had a bigger impact but agree some changes in the 90’s also helped.
Just a couple stats to consider.
The avg of the top 9 passers each year and note the increase of 4K QBs
92’ - 3431, 1 4K QB.
93’ - 3473, 2 4K QB.
94’ - (the article you provided had big changes) 3948, 3 4K QB.
95’ - 4043, 4 4K QB.
96’ - (increased enforcement on 5 yard contact rule) 3690, 3 4K QB
97’ - 3625, 0 4K QB
98’ - 3709, 2 4K QB. I think this was the plateau mark for the 90’s changes until 05’.
99’ - 3953, 5 4K QB
00’ - 3924, 3 4K qb
01’ - 3920, 2 4K qb
02’ - 3984, 4 4K qb
03’ - 3782, 2 4K qb
04’ - 4175, 5 4K qb
05’ - 3813, 2 4K qb, Peyton manning rule instituted.
06’ - 3958, 5 4K qb after 1 year of adjustment, the 4K qb jumps
07’ - 4176, 7 4K qb
08’ - 4165, 6 4K, 1 5K qb
09’ - 4417, 10 4K qb
10’ - 4100, 5 4K qb
11’ - 4709, 10 4K, 3 5K qb
12’ - 4665, 11 4K, 1 5K qb
13’ - 4605, 9 4K, 2 5K qb
14’ - 4602, 11 4K qb
15’ - 4558, 12 4K qb
16’ - 13 4K qb
17’ - 8 4K qb
18’ - 12 4K qb
So 93/94 saw over a 500 yard increase among the top QBs but really stopped below the explosion of the 4K QBs in 2007. Now we’re reaching 1/3 of the league breaking 4K yards and in some cases the average of the top QBs is almost another 600 yard increase.
I agree offenses changed but that was to take advantage of the rule changes.Of course the changes in rules help, but I think you should look at some other factors too. First are the Rams offense in '99 which was the comeback of the big passing offense and one of the first teams since the Run and Shoot days (which put a bad taste in people's mouths about pass first 11 or 10 personel). This was different from 2 wr sets using the west coast offense...giving teams a strategic and tactical advantage (much like Run and Shoot teams had).
Additionally, we had guys like Manning, Brady, Rivers, Brees, Rodgers...probably 5 HOF QB's all hitting their stride at the same time at the same time teams were finding it more acceptable to be a pass first offense. With the greater success of those teams, the more the NFL has copied those offenses and guys like Fisher, Mularkey, etc have been left behind. Notice the current Rams have taken that personel grouping to a max level and more and more teams are using 3 wr sets more frequently. This obviously leads to more passing yards as well.
Teams like Arizona will show whether this trend will continue in the future with the combo of Kingsbury installing his college offense and marrying that to a QB in Murray to run that offense. If guys like Murray and Watson can come in and run college offenses...and last...then we'll see if these guys will be able to keep up these stats once our soon to be HOF qb's retire.
MM8 is EASILY the best QB we have ever had....coming from a GUY with a SIGNED STEVE MCNAIR photo in his man cave.
Mariota isn't better than McNair. Give me a break. Even with the inflated stats of today's NFL, his numbers the past two years still haven't looked better than McNair. And he was in a 2017 Mularkey-caliber system every year
Mariota has an 85 QB rating and 24/23 TDs/INTs over the past two years. I could really care less about what he did his first two years. RG3 and Kaepernick were also quick studies, now look at them. Not every QB improves after their first 4 years. Most, in fact, don't. There's no reason to think that a guy who has regressed over the past two years will suddenly improveGo ahead and compare their first 4 years...I'll wait.
TLDR: normally i only care about stats but since it works against me this time i will ignore the stats that prove me wrongMariota has an 85 QB rating and 24/23 TDs/INTs over the past two years. I could really care less about what he did his first two years. RG3 and Kaepernick were also quick studies, now look at them. Not every QB improves after their first 4 years. Most, in fact, don't. There's no reason to think that a guy who has regressed over the past two years will suddenly improve
You guys get onto people all of the time about looking solely at stats and not the context. Now you are doing the exact same thing.TLDR: normally i only care about stats but since it works against me this time i will ignore the stats that prove me wrong
is this thread about someones development, or a comparison of their stats over the first 4 years?You guys get onto people all of the time about looking solely at stats and not the context. Now you are doing the exact same thing.
33% of Mariota's career TDs have come in the last two years. Does that sound like someone who is headed down the right path of development? I'm honestly not sure why I'm even asking you this question, since your rebuttal will be some meaningless snarky comment.
That's the entire point of these articles. They are meant to inspire hope by comparing the early career numbers of a successful QB to that of a struggling young QB.is this thread about someones development, or a comparison of their stats over the first 4 years?
im honestly not sure why im even asking you this question, since your rebuttal will be some meaningless complaint about mariota.
That may will be true, but it's freaking sad too.
That's the entire point of these articles. They are meant to inspire hope by comparing the early career numbers of a successful QB to that of a struggling young QB.
I don't understand why people intentionally act dumb in order to win an argument
I'm not sure what you all are trying to prove. This isn't a mathletes forum. We aren't looking at numbers just for fun. The purpose is to prove a point, that players who struggled early in their careers have developed into solid players (though I don't understand the Young comparison at all). But the issue is that Mariota's production is headed the wrong way. There's a reason he's in a prove-it year and we just traded a valuable pick for a backup.Me either.
You finally get your stats thread and now you're moving the goalpost again because they don't fit your narrative.
I'm not stupid enough to believe you're not intentionally trolling
a 4th round pick that will turn into a 3rd round comp pick when he leaves is a valuable pick? if anything that's just good GM'ing. even if it wasnt as good of a backup as ol tannieI'm not sure what you all are trying to prove. This isn't a mathletes forum. We aren't looking at numbers just for fun. The purpose is to prove a point, that players who struggled early in their careers have developed into solid players (though I don't understand the Young comparison at all). But the issue is that Mariota's production is headed the wrong way. There's a reason he's in a prove-it year and we just traded a valuable pick for a backup.
Mariota has an 85 QB rating and 24/23 TDs/INTs over the past two years.