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Big TT said:
Odonnell sucked
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"According to Jim Wyatt, O'donnell was throwing the ball slightly more crisp at the first practice in OTAs to a rookie in shorts, and is expected to perform better than McNair the rest of camp. I don't see any way he doesn't take the starting spot." - @abc2330 Offseason 1999
 
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abc2330 said:
Pretty bad you have to compare him to a 1995 QB in a Jeff Fisher offense in order to make him look good


J/K
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I didn't compare him, Titans Online did. I'm just pointing out what they shared. I'd like him to live up to his potential, but injuries have kept that from happening. The reason I found the stats interesting is before Dinger became the Titans Offensive Coordinator Air McNair's pro numbers through the air were pretty pedestrian. I'm old enough to remember the people trying to make the case that O'Donnell needed to start based on this bad game or that bad game. It wasn't until the Titans almost tied it up against the Rams juggernaut in the SB that people really thought McNair was the guy. All that to say Mariota has had some bad luck along the way with piss poor protection for a lot of it. Still we've had 3 winning seasons in a row. I chose this avatar because I, like everyone else, would like to see the Titans back in the 13 - 3 range instead of eking out 9 wins. I think he has the potential to be the guy, at the same time I'm glad they got a backup that can come in and win a game if needed.
 
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abc2330 said:
How low are we setting the bar? I don't think anyone even considered the Young comparison. You may as well compare Mariota's numbers with Gabbert.
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Agreed, but Young had a better winning record than both of them. It goes to show how important the supporting cast is in making or breaking a QB. Food for thought. I wonder how Mariota or McNair would have faired fronting the 2008 Titans instead of Kerry Collins.
 
Tungtide said:
Agreed, but Young had a better winning record than both of them. It goes to show how important the supporting cast is in making or breaking a QB. Food for thought. I wonder how Mariota or McNair would have faired fronting the 2008 Titans instead of Kerry Collins.
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Super Bowl easy.

We literally hid Kerry and asked him to do the bare minimum and he couldn't get it done.

Stupid of some fans to move on without a replacement. Fish Face ruined Gurley and the Rams before they took off without him.
 
VondyP said:
"According to Jim Wyatt, O'donnell was throwing the ball slightly more crisp at the first practice in OTAs to a rookie in shorts, and is expected to perform better than McNair the rest of camp. I don't see any way he doesn't take the starting spot." - @abc2330 Offseason 1999
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We need that Rekt thread back lol
 
CJtheBeast said:
And you're a scrub who sucked.

McNair was an efficient machine. VY left here with a winning record. Mariota has a winning record.

The rest of the team outside of Casey and Walker have been non existent for most of his career.
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You really should get an avatar
 
CJtheBeast said:
And you're a scrub who sucked.

McNair was an efficient machine. VY left here with a winning record. Mariota has a winning record.

The rest of the team outside of Casey and Walker have been non existent for most of his career.
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Stop being so dann triggered. He didn't say anything negative about Mariota
 
We have frequently been a slightly better quarterback away from a superbowl appearance/victory. And that's why I drink....
 
The Hammer said:
That was only the most recent change.

I did not say all changes had been made in the 90s, just most were and they were more significant.

https://slate.com/culture/2014/09/1...ribund-league-and-created-the-modern-nfl.html
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I think the change in 05’ had a bigger impact but agree some changes in the 90’s also helped.
Just a couple stats to consider.
The avg of the top 9 passers each year and note the increase of 4K QBs
92’ - 3431, 1 4K QB.
93’ - 3473, 2 4K QB.
94’ - (the article you provided had big changes) 3948, 3 4K QB.
95’ - 4043, 4 4K QB.
96’ - (increased enforcement on 5 yard contact rule) 3690, 3 4K QB
97’ - 3625, 0 4K QB
98’ - 3709, 2 4K QB. I think this was the plateau mark for the 90’s changes until 05’.
99’ - 3953, 5 4K QB
00’ - 3924, 3 4K qb
01’ - 3920, 2 4K qb
02’ - 3984, 4 4K qb
03’ - 3782, 2 4K qb
04’ - 4175, 5 4K qb
05’ - 3813, 2 4K qb, Peyton manning rule instituted.
06’ - 3958, 5 4K qb after 1 year of adjustment, the 4K qb jumps
07’ - 4176, 7 4K qb
08’ - 4165, 6 4K, 1 5K qb
09’ - 4417, 10 4K qb
10’ - 4100, 5 4K qb
11’ - 4709, 10 4K, 3 5K qb
12’ - 4665, 11 4K, 1 5K qb
13’ - 4605, 9 4K, 2 5K qb
14’ - 4602, 11 4K qb
15’ - 4558, 12 4K qb
16’ - 13 4K qb
17’ - 8 4K qb
18’ - 12 4K qb

So 93/94 saw over a 500 yard increase among the top QBs but really stopped below the explosion of the 4K QBs in 2007. Now we’re reaching 1/3 of the league breaking 4K yards and in some cases the average of the top QBs is almost another 600 yard increase.
 
They really should have called this: Dare to Compare, Mariota vs. Air McNair. It just rhymes too well.
 
abc2330 said:
Stop being so dann triggered. He didn't say anything negative about Mariota
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Trolls currently ruin the world. Thanks for ruining the world. Luckily the Titans fanbase is changing and they'll push your type out
 
We shouldn't have gotten rid of Vince Young without a viable replacement. He wasn't "done" and could have transitioned us on the search and won us games so we could build around him. Didn't happen, intro the Jake Locker expirement.

Locker showed a few flashes early then sizzled once defense adjusted. We wasted a 1st round pick if I remember correctly, some building blocks who were placed with Young, and CJ's best years who was and is the most electrifying and "best" back to ever put on a Titans uniform.

Imagine Young, CJ, Kenny Britt...

We go with the complete opposite of Young in Locker, but Locker doesn't have the skillset to win us games, though he's a great guy.

Enter Marcus Mariota. Has the "it" factor of a guy like VY with the character of a Locker and he also is a student of the game. He's become a clutch QB, at an elite level in this league, tops on 3rd down, and has shown the intangibles to be a special QB. He's also a student of the game who's shown progression and puts in the work to be a franchise QB.

I don't think anything in the area I was born in strictly deals with QB play, but I find it funny that there are consistent trolls wanting to axe Mariota before the season even starts, and there were also fans who never wanted to give VY a try, even when he had a 90+ QB rating.

Maybe its strictly a fan thing but some "fans" sure do a lot to try and tear down our own players. Underperformers I'd understand more than people who have won us games.
 
CJtheBeast said:
We shouldn't have gotten rid of Vince Young without a viable replacement. He wasn't "done" and could have transitioned us on the search and won us games so we could build around him. Didn't happen, intro the Jake Locker expirement.

Locker showed a few flashes early then sizzled once defense adjusted. We wasted a 1st round pick if I remember correctly, some building blocks who were placed with Young, and CJ's best years who was and is the most electrifying and "best" back to ever put on a Titans uniform.

Imagine Young, CJ, Kenny Britt...

We go with the complete opposite of Young in Locker, but Locker doesn't have the skillset to win us games, though he's a great guy.

Enter Marcus Mariota. Has the "it" factor of a guy like VY with the character of a Locker and he also is a student of the game. He's become a clutch QB, at an elite level in this league, tops on 3rd down, and has shown the intangibles to be a special QB. He's also a student of the game who's shown progression and puts in the work to be a franchise QB.

I don't think anything in the area I was born in strictly deals with QB play, but I find it funny that there are consistent trolls wanting to axe Mariota before the season even starts, and there were also fans who never wanted to give VY a try, even when he had a 90+ QB rating.

Maybe its strictly a fan thing but some "fans" sure do a lot to try and tear down our own players. Underperformers I'd understand more than people who have won us games.
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VY was a head case and not good. It was the right move getting rid of him. Drafting Locker was a mistake (VY was too) but Fitzpatrick and Hasselbeck were better than VY to try offering some wins while the team was stuck in the tank.
 
HurrayTitans! said:
VY was a head case and not good. It was the right move getting rid of him. Drafting Locker was a mistake (VY was too) but Fitzpatrick and Hasselbeck were better than VY to try offering some wins while the team was stuck in the tank.
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It was a mistake to draft VY's replacement in a must situation. It usually doesn't go in your favor to draft by need.

Hindsight, I guess... but should've rolled with Hasselbeck as starter and signed a backup.

Munch might have been HC a bit longer.
 
RTH said:
It was a mistake to draft VY's replacement in a must situation. It usually doesn't go in your favor to draft by need.

Hindsight, I guess... but should've rolled with Hasselbeck as starter and signed a backup.

Munch might have been HC a bit longer.
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Problem is, 2011 was the lockout year, we couldn't sign Hasselbeck or any one else for that matter. We were fortunate to be able to sign Hasselbeck before the season started, but we had to draft a qb that year, or roll with Rusty Smith penciled in as the starter.
 
WV2SoCalTitan said:
Problem is, 2011 was the lockout year, we couldn't sign Hasselbeck or any one else for that matter. We were fortunate to be able to sign Hasselbeck before the season started, but we had to draft a qb that year, or roll with Rusty Smith penciled in as the starter.
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Hindsight, but rusty smith 2011 could have equaled Luck 2012.
 
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