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Gut said:
it's worse, his speed works AGAINST him since he'll be moving really fast in the wrong direction. In the NFL, standing still for .5 seconds not moving is enough time to give an OL an angle on you. If you take that .5 seconds and move in the wrong direction, it'll take much longer to stop and go in the right direction...far too late.

Reading keys, film study so you know tendencies out of different formations or player packages, and core play types and what players like to do help speed up the process. That's why with LB's we are always talking about guys who see the play and guys or are a step slow to diagnose.
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That's why Woodyard seems to have gotten better and "faster" as he's aged. His 40 isn't getting any better, but his instincts and reactions are.
 
abc2330 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1123641469494018048
https://twitter.com/x/status/1105472939355504640

Some input from people who actually watch tape instead of watch guys running around in shorts.
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Lmao... mike was the one who wrote the article about the O line being fine.... the same one you’ve defended and been destroyed because of.

Here is a simple question to answer: why did the Titans not re sign Spain (paid his replacement big money too) and cut Kline if the O line wasn’t the problem?
 
abc2330 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1123641469494018048
https://twitter.com/x/status/1105472939355504640

Some input from people who actually watch tape instead of watch guys running around in shorts.
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<yawn...>

Didn't you just say in another thread that you think Cosell didn't watch film on Amani Hooker because he just said he was a sub-par athlete...which he isn't? Yet you want to quote him here?

ROFL!!!

Let me know when you can answer a simple question. I've asked you several times but you just don't seem to like facts!

I'll give you a hint...the facts won't change no matter how much you want them to. They are what they are.
 
Johnnyb said:
That's why Woodyard seems to have gotten better and "faster" as he's aged. His 40 isn't getting any better, but his instincts and reactions are.
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Exactly! And he's also more comfortable in the scheme...and has better players to help him get to where he needs to go!
 
abc2330 said:
Gut thinks this guy is a downgrade in terms of athleticism:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1106223974583664642
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Oh ok sure buddy...I guess you're just a proven NFL scout smh. Downgrade? I think he was pretty rock solid in pass protection and run blocking for the rams. If Spain and Kline were such good athletes on the line then why would Titans let them go. Your take fails yet again.
 
SalmonSlayer said:
Oh ok sure buddy...I guess you're just a proven NFL scout smh. Downgrade? I think he was pretty rock solid in pass protection and run blocking for the rams. If Spain and Kline were such good athletes on the line then why would Titans let them go. Your take fails yet again.
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Talk to Gut , not to me. He said that Safford wasn't as athletic as them
 
abc2330 said:
Talk to Gut , not to me. He said that Safford wasn't as athletic as them
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Regardless, you still think the line was good last season? I thought Ben Jones was not good at C. The rush up the middle was breaking down pretty quickly.
 
SalmonSlayer said:
Regardless, you still think the line was good last season? I thought Ben Jones was not good at C. The rush up the middle was breaking down pretty quickly.
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I thought that the pocket awareness of the QB was awful. Much bigger issue than the line . Protection issues have been overcome by many QBs. It is difficult for an offense to overcome horrific QB pocket presence
 
abc2330 said:
I thought that the pocket awareness of the QB was awful. Much bigger issue than the line . Protection issues have been overcome by many QBs. It is difficult for an offense to overcome horrific QB pocket presence
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Horrific? I'll take the winning seasons we've had over the 3 and 13 years all day. Horrific was Mett
 
SalmonSlayer said:
Horrific? I'll take the winning seasons we've had over the 3 and 13 years all day. Horrific was Mett
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So far, Marcus has been the worst kind of qb to have. The often unavailable mediocrity. Good enough to take you out of contention for a pick to replace him. Good enough to be the last team in the playoffs once in a while. But not good enough to win anything.

I mean, you swap Marcus out for about half the QBs in the league... Brady, Rodgers, rivers, brees, Stafford, luck, mahommes, Wilson, Ryan, wentz, roethlisburger, probably a few more... We are Instant contenders, and their teams are at best mediocre.

I hope the lovers are right, and it's been a combination of bad luck and circumstances that has held him back so far. But I'm not holding my breath.
 
TitansWrath said:
So far, Marcus has been the worst kind of qb to have. The often unavailable mediocrity. Good enough to take you out of contention for a pick to replace him. Good enough to be the last team in the playoffs once in a while. But not good enough to win anything.

I mean, you swap Marcus out for about half the QBs in the league... Brady, Rodgers, rivers, brees, Stafford, luck, mahommes, Wilson, Ryan, wentz, roethlisburger, probably a few more... We are Instant contenders, and their teams are at best mediocre.

I hope the lovers are right, and it's been a combination of bad luck and circumstances that has held him back so far. But I'm not holding my breath.
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But out of those other QBs listed how many have had 3 head coaches and 4 new offensive coordinator in only 4 seasons, leading to the 5th. Thats a lot to change.
 
LANGSTER said:
More I watch of this kansas state rb alex barnes the more I like him! I think he could well make the team and be our rb number 3
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Unless he's gonna beat out Lewis, the biggest thing for him is SPECIAL TEAMS. If he can't be a factor (be a starting special teams player) he won't make the team unless he's the #2 RB. Not enough active spots and then they'd try and put him on the PS.
 
abc2330 said:
Gut thinks this guy is a downgrade in terms of athleticism:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1106223974583664642
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<yawn...>:deadhorse:

You said we got better athletes to replace Spain and Kline.

I said no, we got BETTER PLAYERS!!! Their athletic testing numbers PROVE I'm right. Your video ALSO proves I'M RIGHT!!! Saffold is a much BETTER PLAYER and one of the top OG's in the NFL! Nate Davis' athletic testing is quite below Kline's so...I wonder why we added Davis? No, I don't wonder. I KNOW! Because the Titans (and I...and most NFL people) think Davis is a better PLAYER?

The Titans got upgrades on the OL to help protect Mariota because that was ONE giant problem last year. Notice we got rid of Spain and Kline and replaced them with better players (though Davis may need some time). I know you constantly want to blame Mariota for everything...given your MANY posts making such crazy claims (our wr's can't be judge for years, nothing the OL does is the fault of the OL and it's our qb's responsibility to make incredibly athletic plays to get out of anything)...but unlike you, I think we should hold ALL of the players accountable for their own play. Clearly the Titans feel this way as they got rid of Spain and Kline, let Rak and Morgan go and have tried to give Mariota and the offense every opportunity this season giving him and the running game a better OL, Mariota more weapons in Humphries and Brown, and hopefully a healthy Walker and Smith. If Mariota and Conklin don't perform this year...they'll be looking for work next off-season too.
 
abc2330 said:
Talk to Gut , not to me. He said that Safford wasn't as athletic as them
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<yawn...>

You like TRYING to put your words in other people's mouths instead of simply repeating what I said.

You said or repeated from an article, that we didn't get better players, we got better athletes....meaning the OL wasn't a problem last year and any replacements aren't because of a deficiency, just a difference in style of player. This is simply WRONG!

I showed you with FACTS that Saffold wasn't a better athlete than Spain and that Davis wasn't a better athlete than Kline. These are what we call FACTS!!!

I said that we got better PLAYERS because there were many problems on the OL from everyone not named Lewan and Kelly. We got rid of 50% of those problems, hope Conklin can bounce back (have Kelly as insurance) and hope Jones will play better with better OG's around him.

Your point adopted from that article is simply wrong. The Titans didn't want better athletes on the OL due to scheme, we wanted BETTER PLAYERS. Saffold is a clear example as he's one of the top OG's in the league. Davis is a far better player than Athlete as his testing proves.

As I mentioned previously - that went right over your head - players on the field can look faster because they are better players, play with better technique, reads, etc. I gave you the LB example where a lesser athlete can be a much better PLAYER ON THE FIELD! And yet, you show film to try and prove athleticism...not how good the player is?

:facepalm:

Repeating that 2+2=5 will be wrong no matter how many times you say it. Facts are facts. Try getting on the right side of them. The only opinion part is whether Saffold and Davis are upgrades over Spain and Kline. I say they are upgrades. What do you say?
 
abc2330 said:
I thought that the pocket awareness of the QB was awful. Much bigger issue than the line . Protection issues have been overcome by many QBs. It is difficult for an offense to overcome horrific QB pocket presence
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This shows your 'problem.' You want to hold the QB accountable for failure by the OL! Guess you're not into holding everyone accountable for their own play, huh?

Watching film after a game, when the RT gets whipped on a play, coaches don't ignore that and go, qb - that's your job to avoid all pressures given up by the RT...you're making HIM look bad! LOL!!! No, the players screwing up get called out. Now...not every 'sack' is viewed the same. If Mariota 'felt' pressure that wasn't there, ran and got caught behind the line for a 'sack,' that's on HIM. When there's pressure, that's on each lineman, Mariota's movement in the pocket is on him, receivers getting open or not is on them. Notice we upgraded the OL and receivers. Clearly, the Titans disagree with your assessment!

LOL! Please define 'horrific' pocket awareness? I could see someone not having any...but how would they have horrific?
 
TitansWrath said:
Good enough to be the last team in the playoffs once in a while. But not good enough to win anything.

I mean, you swap Marcus out for about half the QBs in the league... Brady, Rodgers, rivers, brees, Stafford, luck, mahommes, Wilson, Ryan, wentz, roethlisburger, probably a few more... We are Instant contenders, and their teams are at best mediocre
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A couple of things to put in perspective. First, Mariota has played pretty well in our few playoff games. Secondly, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, and Brees are Hall of Fame qb's. You put them on any team and they will do well. Big Ben may be that too (we are gonna find out a lot without AB or Bell) and Mahomes just tied records for one of the best seasons so that's once in a long time type talent/season for a first season starter.

But one of the things to notice about most of these starters is they have weapons and are protected. Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Luck, Mahomes, Ryan, Wentz, Ben have good OL's. Some have elite talent around the qb. Some have both.

Mariota has shown flashes, but hasn't had enough consistency for a variety of reasons. Some may be him, others may be changing HC's and OC's every year and others are what weapons he has (pass and run game) and how much he's been protected.

The Titans have done their best to give him every opportunity this season. Better OL =better protection. Henry should give us a better run game and fewer 3rd and 10's. Better receivers at #2 and #3 with hopefully healthy Walker and Smith back. Theoretically kept Smith to keep Mariota in the same system for once and incorporate more of Mariota's strengths into the playcalling.

You don't have to hold your breath. We'll do it and get in the playoffs and you'll have Mariota long term...or we won't and we'll have plenty of time to digest next year's qb's and hope we don't pick another bust!
 
Need to bring some sort of a vet in at least to knock Nate Davis' head down a peg (prevent fromthinking he's got RG locked)... if nothing else, more depth. Frankly, scared if Saffold goes down.

Sadly, the pickens are kinda slim..

Andy Levitre
Mike Remmers
Stefen Wisnewski
 
Broken Arrow said:
Need to bring some sort of a vet in at least to knock Nate Davis' head down a peg (prevent fromthinking he's got RG locked)... if nothing else, more depth. Frankly, scared if Saffold goes down.

Sadly, the pickens are kinda slim..

Andy Levitre
Mike Remmers
Stefen Wisnewski
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I think they pencil in Pamphil at RG and Conklin at RT to start. Make Davis earn RG and make Conklin fight off Kelly (or move him to be in the mix at RG if he's not our best RT).
 
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