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HurrayTitans! said:
Love Henry and he’s having a big year but this is he 4 year record

490, 5td, 13/137
744, 5td, 11/136/1
1059, 12td, 15/99
(11 games) 991, 10td, 14/183/2

For comparison, Elliott is the name being compared for contract since he just got his

1631, 15td, 32/363/1
(10 games) 983, 7td, 26/269/2
1434, 6td, 77/567/3
(11 games) 919, 7td, 32/260/1

He led the league in rushing twice and put up just shy of 2000 total yards twice.

I like Henry and he’s got a nose for the EZ but he is not performing at zeke level so he shouldn’t be paid like zeke.
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“Just shy of 2,000 yards” o_O

It’s all going to be pretty irrelevant when Henry smashes Elliott’s payday season, and probably outscores him for his career. I’m not saying he’s going to be paid as much as Elliott necessarily, but he’s on pace for a big contract.

I really just hope McCaffrey doesn’t decide to cash in early. And if he does, I hope we pay Henry first.
 
We have to keep Tammy on board, and we will have to pay him. Either through the franchise tag or 4 year deal. He's going to get 27 million plus. It's just the cost of keeping a QB these days. We either use the tag on him or more realistically we use it on Henry if he doesn't play nice. Both will get paid, and I think we do keep them both. Only question is does the front office think we can get there with Tammy at QB. If they do, then they are going to offer him a contract, and QB won't be a pressing concern for next years draft. We are going to lose one of Conklin or Ryan. Maybe both.
 
Psychop1 said:
“Just shy of 2,000 yards” o_O

It’s all going to be pretty irrelevant when Henry smashes Elliott’s payday season, and probably outscores him for his career. I’m not saying he’s going to be paid as much as Elliott necessarily, but he’s on pace for a big contract.

I really just hope McCaffrey doesn’t decide to cash in early. And if he does, I hope we pay Henry first.
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1434 rushing + 567 receiving = 2001 total yards. 9total TDs though.
His rookie season 1631 rushing + 363 receiving = 1994 total yards. 16 total TDs.

His second season was cut to 10 games still had 983 (8 yds shy of Henry in 11 games this season) + 269 receiving = 1252 total yds and 9TDs. Well on pace for 2K in 16 games.

So I don’t see Henry “smashing” Elliott’s payday season but Henry is on pace for 1700 total yards and 17-18 TDs.

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Again, even if CMC gets paid first, his payday is going to account for being the biggest WR on the team as well. Henry is not.
 
HurrayTitans! said:
1434 rushing + 567 receiving = 2001 total yards. 9total TDs though.
His rookie season 1631 rushing + 363 receiving = 1994 total yards. 16 total TDs.

His second season was cut to 10 games still had 983 (8 yds shy of Henry in 11 games this season) + 269 receiving = 1252 total yds and 9TDs. Well on pace for 2K in 16 games.

So I don’t see Henry “smashing” Elliott’s payday season but Henry is on pace for 1700 total yards and 17-18 TDs.

Edit:
Again, even if CMC gets paid first, his payday is going to account for being the biggest WR on the team as well. Henry is not.
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OK. What kinda contract do you think Henry is worth?
 
Psychop1 said:
OK. What kinda contract do you think Henry is worth?
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I think he’s right around the $10 mil per year mark. With salary cap always rising, maybe $11 mil.

Elliott is at $15
Gurley is at $14 (overpaid)
Bell is at $13
David Johnson got to $13

I think CMC gets to the $15 mark, especially if he breaks CJ2Ks record for offensive yards.
I think Barkley also gets that high when his contract comes up provided he continues what he’s doing.
 
Psychop1 said:
OK. What kinda contract do you think Henry is worth?
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The question is what henry and his agent think they can get.

I really have no idea what other teams would offer Henry if he hit FA.

If I were Jrob, I'd offer 11. If he wants more, much as I hate it, you gotta let him go. Or franchise tag him for one season.
 
HurrayTitans! said:
Love Henry and he’s having a big year but this is he 4 year record

490, 5td, 13/137
744, 5td, 11/136/1
1059, 12td, 15/99
(11 games) 991, 10td, 14/183/2

For comparison, Elliott is the name being compared for contract since he just got his

1631, 15td, 32/363/1
(10 games) 983, 7td, 26/269/2
1434, 6td, 77/567/3
(11 games) 919, 7td, 32/260/1

He led the league in rushing twice and put up just shy of 2000 total yards twice.

I like Henry and he’s got a nose for the EZ but he is not performing at zeke level so he shouldn’t be paid like zeke.
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just shy? LOL
 
Big TT said:
just shy? LOL
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2nd one to do this

2016 - 1631 rush + 363 rec = 1994 total yards (6 shy of 2K)
2017 - was on pace for but only played 10 games
2018 - 1434 rush + 567 rec = 2001 total yards

I’d say that makes the statement accurate.
 
HurrayTitans! said:
2nd one to do this

2016 - 1631 rush + 363 rec = 1994 total yards (6 shy of 2K)
2017 - was on pace for but only played 10 games
2018 - 1434 rush + 567 rec = 2001 total yards

I’d say that makes the statement accurate.
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There's a reason for that lol, but it doesn't matter.

You acknowledge that the bigger cap will cause contracts to get bigger, so that's good. You think it could be as high $11 million a year. I think that's reasonable. I think it will more likely be $13 to $14 million a year, but $11 million a year is also reasonable. I mean, what are we squabbling about here? He's our best offensive weapon. If Henry wanted more, would we really let him walk just so we could sign a few Dion Lewis's? I hope not.
 
Psychop1 said:
There's a reason for that lol, but it doesn't matter.

You acknowledge that the bigger cap will cause contracts to get bigger, so that's good. You think it could be as high $11 million a year. I think that's reasonable. I think it will more likely be $13 to $14 million a year, but $11 million a year is also reasonable. I mean, what are we squabbling about here? He's our best offensive weapon. If Henry wanted more, would we really let him walk just so we could sign a few Dion Lewis's? I hope not.
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I have no issue paying Henry. He just shouldn’t be paid as much as Elliott got.
Elliott produced more and is just as important to their offense. He also has 2 rushing titles to his name.
The same will be said for CMC when his payday comes.

That’s all I was saying.

Obviously TT thinks that’s BS or something. 800+ yards in production must not equal any difference in pay?
 
HurrayTitans! said:
I have no issue paying Henry. He just shouldn’t be paid as much as Elliott got.
Elliott produced more and is just as important to their offense. He also has 2 rushing titles to his name.
The same will be said for CMC when his payday comes.

That’s all I was saying.

Obviously TT thinks that’s BS or something. 800+ yards in production must not equal any difference in pay?
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800+ yards in production o_O

You keep puffing Elliott up bigger than he is so as to minimize Henry. That’s what’s BS. I keep trying to ignore it lol.

And I don’t want to take anything away from Elliott. I think he’s a great back and he’s one of my favorites to watch. But pretending like Henry isn’t on his level because of a few receiving yards is nonsense. Same ypc. Same yards from scrimmage this season. Henry out-scoring without playing behind a behemoth line his entire career.

But no, Henry agent gonna be like, “Henry didn’t outperform Zeke his rookie season, can we have $10 million?”.

Come on man.
 
Psychop1 said:
800+ yards in production o_O

You keep puffing Elliott up bigger than he is so as to minimize Henry. That’s what’s BS. I keep trying to ignore it lol.

And I don’t want to take anything away from Elliott. I think he’s a great back and he’s one of my favorites to watch. But pretending like Henry isn’t on his level because of a few receiving yards is nonsense. Same ypc. Same yards from scrimmage this season. Henry out-scoring without playing behind a behemoth line his entire career.

But no, Henry agent gonna be like, “Henry didn’t outperform Zeke his rookie season, can we have $10 million?”.

Come on man.
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What do you mean “puffing up”?
I listed his exact, very real, stats. And Henry’s.

I hate to say it but let’s look at the top RB in the league, receiving is a large reason why they’re the best and paid the most.

Through his own fault or the organization, Henry is not used in the passing game. That is fact.

And certainly you can’t use just 4 years ago as the sample but Zeke led the league in rushing for his 2nd time just last season. That’s why he got the contract he did. PLUS he can be used in the passing game.

I didn’t think I was explaining something that difficult. Production over 3 years (which is exactly what Zeke did) is more valuable than what Henry has done. Last year the bulk of his yardage came in 1 month’s time. His TDs have been pretty consistent, starting last year. His first 2 years are relatively negligible to the fact almost any RB can run for 600 yards and 5 TD (his avg his first 2 years)

Bottom line is unless he’s breaking records, leading the league (he very well may this year), or putting up the number he is this year for multiple years, he is not as valuable as a guy like Elliott. Thus, the anticipated expectation that Henry should not cost as much as Zeke.
 
Psychop1 said:
I forgot. How do you win at football?
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Throwing?
Playing D?

Are you saying that the W/L record for Tennessee should be Henry’s w/l record?
Or is this strictly TD count?

Have no idea where you’re going with this comment.
 
I’m saying the guy scores TD’s.

I’m saying that makes squawking about a few receiving yards especially nonsensical.

I’ll also say you predicted that Henry would rack up 1700 yards this season but said Zeke with 800 yards more? Puff puff pass.

I’m not saying he’s better than Elliott. I’m saying they are very similar in play. Pretty soon, they’ll likely have similar contracts. Not the same, but probably in the same ballpark. If not us, then somebody. Hopefully us.
 
Psychop1 said:
I’m saying the guy scores TD’s.

I’m saying that makes squawking about a few receiving yards especially nonsensical.

I’ll also say you predicted that Henry would rack up 1700 yards this season but said Zeke with 800 yards more? Puff puff pass.

I’m not saying he’s better than Elliott. I’m saying they are very similar in play. Pretty soon, they’ll likely have similar contracts. Not the same, but probably in the same ballpark. If not us, then somebody. Hopefully us.
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That zeke contract is going to doom the cowboys from progressing any further. Now they have to do something with dak and Cooper, and somehow keep their line together, leaving nothing for the already ailing defense.

The Gurley contract was a mistake that, among other idiotic moves (Goff, Ramsey) will doom them for the foreseeable future.

It is also worth noting that neither of those backs has done as well since their payday. Gurley has been hurt, and cowboy fans say zeke is not the same guy. We saw the same with Chris Johnson.

You do not put a significant chunk of your cap into a RB. It's just dumb. Cap space goes to QBs, tackles, pass rushers, and elite corners. Not backs. Too easily replaced.
 
Psychop1 said:
I’m saying the guy scores TD’s.

I’m saying that makes squawking about a few receiving yards especially nonsensical.

I’ll also say you predicted that Henry would rack up 1700 yards this season but said Zeke with 800 yards more? Puff puff pass.

I’m not saying he’s better than Elliott. I’m saying they are very similar in play. Pretty soon, they’ll likely have similar contracts. Not the same, but probably in the same ballpark. If not us, then somebody. Hopefully us.
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I’d like you to quote that second part.

I said zeke has produced 800+ yards more before this season, each season.
I didn’t predict 1700 for Henry this season either. I think he’ll still be around 1300 maybe 1400 by season’s end. That a great season including what should be about 15 TD.

That’s his first season with those kind of numbers.
His 12 TD last season was awesome and a great start to what we can hope is the future, but both of his first 2 seasons left a lot of question marks on whether he was even the guy.
It doesn’t make sense to pay (or negotiate with the agent) a top RB contract (literally the top, Elliott) after 1 season of being at the top. Elliott did it 2 seasons and was paced for it his third.

Henry was 7th in yds, 3rd in TD last season. He’s currently 4th in both this season.
This isn’t strictly rushing without considering the receiving portion.

2019
CMC is #1 TD and yds (I think he’ll get paid more than Henry when due)
Zeke is 7 yds, tied 6 TD
Gurley (who I think was overpaid) is 18 yds, tied 6 TD

2018
Zeke #1 yds, tied 20 TD
Gurley #3 yds, #1 TD
CMC #6 yds, tied 15 TD

2017
Bell #3 yds, #3 TD
Gurley #2 yds, #1 TD
Elliott (only 10 games) #1 yds per game, tied 11 TD (projected 16/#1/2 if 16 games)

2016
Elliott #1 yds, #2 TD
Bell #5 yds, tied #15 TD
Gurley #18 yds, tied #20 TD


Again, consistent performers. This is not counting their value receiving (I’ll post that if I need to) and literally tops of the league multiple years.

Henry may be great going forward but TDs alone aren’t it, 1 season alone isn’t it, and not being a receiving threat isn’t it. (“It” as in the top paid backs). Otherwise why isn’t Blount, freeman, Ingram, Gordon or other single season TD leaders paid the top contract?

For the record, I don’t want to overpay Henry, and I think the titans are justified in not paying him the 13-14 mil he may ask for.
 
TitansWrath said:
That zeke contract is going to doom the cowboys from progressing any further. Now they have to do something with dak and Cooper, and somehow keep their line together, leaving nothing for the already ailing defense.

The Gurley contract was a mistake that, among other idiotic moves (Goff, Ramsey) will doom them for the foreseeable future.

It is also worth noting that neither of those backs has done as well since their payday. Gurley has been hurt, and cowboy fans say zeke is not the same guy. We saw the same with Chris Johnson.

You do not put a significant chunk of your cap into a RB. It's just dumb. Cap space goes to QBs, tackles, pass rushers, and elite corners. Not backs. Too easily replaced.
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Statistically Zekes worst season but still among the top, just probably overpaid.
I think Prescott taking a step forward actually hurts elliottt too, at least statistically.
 
BDH isn’t an ordinary rb. Not sure we have seen anyone that has his skill set before. I mean obviously he’s big and strong. But he also brings a lot of top end speed. Notice I say top end....he’s not quick or particularly elusive.....but, IMO, it is because he never had those I don’t see a dramatic fall off in production as he ages. What he is, he is likely to be for many years (5 or 6) so I don’t see the risk in giving him a 2nd contract that most backs have. Simply put, he fits what we want to do with the running game and thus far I happy with his production. Some here are down playing his production his first couple of years but seem to forget he was a backup behind an aging demarco Murray....heck even dexter mccluster took away a few snaps his rookie year. In short...pay the man...I figure 11-13 million per
 
Rwill said:
Yep and the way those 3 are now performing, I wonder if the GMs are kicking themselves for tying up so much money.
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That's the point. It's never the right decision to pay a RB top dollar in today's NFL
 
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