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TitanJeff said:
Doubt it. He’ll get more opportunities as he shows he can handle them but I suspect we’ll see a rotation.
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He will probably split a lot of time with Hump and Taylor in 2 WR sets unless he just really takes off.
 
abc2330 said:
You mean like this? (Start with 2nd video)

If you can win a contested catch against Ramsey, then you have the ability to do it. He needs to get a lot more consistent at several things, but ability isn't his problem.
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First off, some of these people don't understand what they are looking at in your 2nd video. What coverage is the defense in? They are loading the box in almost every play so someone is gonna be playing off (if not both corners).

Second, no one is saying he doesn't have talent, only that he had some really bad drops that cost us big plays and a TD. You can't have that when you are a ball controlled offense that doesn't throw it that much...which is why they brought in Humphries and drafted Brown. Needed more talent and consistency. Does that mean Taylor can't improve? Of course not. But now he's gonna be fighting an uphill battle. Humphries pretty much has the slot locked down so the question is who is #2. You might pencil in Taylor for now, but he'll have Brown coming for him and Humphries available to take the job if he doesn't show improvement. Just like a host of other players on this team, there is good competition for his spot and we'll see what happens.

The advantage he has is he knows the offense and has talent. The downside is he already has been in the doghouse with big drops enough that they went out and signed a guy and drafted a guy to possibly replace him. If I were him, I'd be making 100 catches with the Jugs machine before every practice and trying to get extra work with Mariota (or Tannehill) after practice. That'll improve his hands, chemistry, and show the coaching staff his dedication in getting it right.
 
JR1980 said:
Taywan is fine. Mary missed him a ton last year....They have zero chemistry.
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Huh? Taylor's drops are fine but Mariota's misses are a problem?

I don't know about you, but a wr dropping a perfectly catchable ball is a problem...especially if they are big plays or TD's (Taylor dropped both). That is just as bad as Mariota missing him when he's open on a bad throw.

BOTH are problems that both players need to correct. I don't understand this zero accountability for player's not named Mariota.
 
Scarecrow said:
He will probably split a lot of time with Hump and Taylor in 2 WR sets unless he just really takes off.
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I couldn't find snap counts on Titans rookie WRs but did find targets.

Davis averaged less than 6 targets per game he played his rookie season.
Taylor 1.8, Hunter 2.6, DGB 4.2, Sharpe 5.2 (who picked up routes faster than most).

I expect a 3-4 targets per game avg. for Brown. They'll find the routes he's most comfortable and give him opportunities when he can exploit a matchup.

That's 45-60 targets a season. If Marcus has 450 attempts as he averaged in '16 and '17, this ends up being 10-12% of his attempts.

Hump will stay in the slot. Davis and Sharpe outside. Taylor can play both slot and outside so he'll stay in the rotation even if he doesn't see many targets. I expect Brown will get work both places too.
 
Chad said:
Just don’t see where the targets will come from. Between Davis, Humphries, Walker, Brown and Sharpe, there’s not many extra targets up for grabs. This is also coming from a team who’s near the bottom of the NFL in pass attempts. Can he be useful in certain situations? Sure. But a viable option? Can’t see it.
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Really depends on who wins which roles, how successful our run game is, how consistent and healthy Mariota is, and how we approach our offensive playcalling.

If Taylor starts as the #2 he could get some significant action...especially early on if they intend to slowly work in Brown.

If by opening day we see the top guys as CD, Brown, Humphries...Taylor will get far less opportunity...which is why if I were him, Id be working on my return skills and special teams work too. The #4 wr is gonna most likely need to play some special teams.

And if I were playcalling for the Titans, Id be doing what the Rams do...live in a 3 wr set and force the defense to either defend against Henry with a nickel D or give us favorable passing opportunities defending our 3 wr set with their base d personel (almost guaranteeing 90% zone coverage).
 
TitanJeff said:
Doubt it. He’ll get more opportunities as he shows he can handle them but I suspect we’ll see a rotation.
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Obviously a lot depends on how he performs in OTA's, training camp, pre-season...along with how Taylor and Humphries look. But if Brown can pick it up as fast as Sharpe did and earn the starting role opposite CD, the next question is how are we gonna run our system. Are we gonna be a 2 wr set team most of the time and only go 3 wr when we have 3rd and long? Or will we live in a 3 wr set like the Rams do and force favorable run or pass matchups because nickel D's have a tough time stopping the run...especially against a big bruising back. And no base D wants to have to cover 3 wr's and a TE like Walker.

It will seem like a waste to only play Humphries in 3rd and longs because hopefully, with better WR's, ol, Walker back and Henry running like he did last December...we should be in 3rd and long a LOT less this year.

That's a lot of IF's for predicting Brown's targets and catches, but the success of the offense will either improve or lower those numbers. The more successful the offense is at staying on the field and moving the ball, the more targets, catches, and points we should get.
 
TitanJeff said:
I couldn't find snap counts on Titans rookie WRs but did find targets.

Davis averaged less than 6 targets per game he played his rookie season.
Taylor 1.8, Hunter 2.6, DGB 4.2, Sharpe 5.2 (who picked up routes faster than most).

I expect a 3-4 targets per game avg. for Brown. They'll find the routes he's most comfortable and give him opportunities when he can exploit a matchup.

That's 45-60 targets a season. If Marcus has 450 attempts as he averaged in '16 and '17, this ends up being 10-12% of his attempts.

Hump will stay in the slot. Davis and Sharpe outside. Taylor can play both slot and outside so he'll stay in the rotation even if he doesn't see many targets. I expect Brown will get work both places too.
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I think Sharpe is gonna have to battle to even make the roster. Sharpe is an ok receiver but he has 4 wr's in front of him. I expect if the season started tomorrow you'd have CD and Taylor with Humphries in the slot with Brown and Humphries getting rotation time (if we stay in mostly base sets on 1st and 2nd down). If by years end you have CD and Brown starting with Humphries in the slot, Taylor can backup all of those spots. Of course we'll have at least 1 more wr, but that guy better play special teams. Isn't our primary kick returner another wr? Sharpe may end up being our 5th or 6th best wr and not sure how many we'll carry on game day or even just the 53 man roster. So he's on the bubble and where he'll most likely end up is in a spot where we probably need special teams value. He has value as a rotational wr, but if we live in 2 wr sets, you probably only have 4 wr's see the field while you do need starting special teams players every game. If we live in 3 wr sets like the Rams...maybe you keep 5 up just for the offense and lose a different player for a special teamer.
 
See, I’d put a low amount of money on Sharpe not even making the roster. Can’t be a 4/5 and not play special teams.
 
Gut said:
Obviously a lot depends on how he performs in OTA's, training camp, pre-season...along with how Taylor and Humphries look. But if Brown can pick it up as fast as Sharpe did and earn the starting role opposite CD, the next question is how are we gonna run our system. Are we gonna be a 2 wr set team most of the time and only go 3 wr when we have 3rd and long? Or will we live in a 3 wr set like the Rams do and force favorable run or pass matchups because nickel D's have a tough time stopping the run...especially against a big bruising back. And no base D wants to have to cover 3 wr's and a TE like Walker.
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I never even thought of this, but that would probably be the best set for Henry as well. He has struggled to get the the second level of he was met at the line and this would clear out the traffic.
 
PRAY IV M3RCY said:
It sure helps to not have to learn new systems every year. I think this year if Mariota stays healthy and reaps the benefits of not having to learn another system he will be just fine. As for Taylor it only benefits him more if Mariota can stay on the field. He has valuable tools.
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So if Mariota stays healthy and is just fine, do we keep him? 25-30mil a year for a QB who stayed healthy for 1 year out of 5 and is "just fine"...
 
Rwill said:
So if Mariota stays healthy and is just fine, do we keep him? 25-30mil a year for a QB who stayed healthy for 1 year out of 5 and is "just fine"...
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Or franchise him and see if he can do it 2 years straight
 
Rwill said:
So if Mariota stays healthy and is just fine, do we keep him? 25-30mil a year for a QB who stayed healthy for 1 year out of 5 and is "just fine"...
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yes, just fine QBs get the job done and are coveted.

either a 2-3 year extension 9in this scenario) or a tag, although the tag would be hefty
 
Rwill said:
You nailed it in the first sentence. You really can't quote stats that show Mariota isn't terrible..
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Actually I can. But that's for a Mariota thread...not here.

But I will ask you this. Do you think all of the players on the team should be held accountable? Do you think Taylor should be held accountable for his drops?
 
Rwill said:
So if Mariota stays healthy and is just fine, do we keep him? 25-30mil a year for a QB who stayed healthy for 1 year out of 5 and is "just fine"...
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So let's say we finish in the playoffs and have the 24th pick in the draft. What would you do?

Re-sign Mariota to big money? Tag him? Or keep Tannehill and draft someone in the 2nd round? Or give up multiple first round picks and multiple drafts to move up into the top 5 for a new rookie qb? Or any other option you have...?
 
Gut said:
How much would you offer in an extension?
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if he comes out and plays like we all know he is capable of, whatever gets him to sign the deal.

"just fine" is a pretty vague determination. cant say with certainty atm what i'd be willing to give.

no starting qb signing a new deal is gonna get less than 23mil from here on out though. foles was the exception because no one wanted him.
 
Gut said:
So let's say we finish in the playoffs and have the 24th pick in the draft. What would you do?

Re-sign Mariota to big money? Tag him? Or keep Tannehill and draft someone in the 2nd round? Or give up multiple first round picks and multiple drafts to move up into the top 5 for a new rookie qb? Or any other option you have...?
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Cut bait with Mariota. He is not the answer, all we are doing is delaying the inevitable.
 
Gut said:
Actually I can. But that's for a Mariota thread...not here.

But I will ask you this. Do you think all of the players on the team should be held accountable? Do you think Taylor should be held accountable for his drops?
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Of course you hold him accountable. You must have missed what we used our 2nd pick on, you know, his replacement...
 
Rwill said:
Cut bait with Mariota. He is not the answer, all we are doing is delaying the inevitable.
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So how would you go about finding our next franchise QB and who would you have playing QB 'til then? If we pick at 19 or later in the draft, what would you - as JRob - do to find our next guy?
 
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