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Riverman said:
Wish I hadn’t been disappointed so often enough to argue BUT:

Demarco Murray not on roster
Rishard Matthews head case not on roster
Delanie Walker acquired by WEBSTER
Kline had A (singular and overpaid) good year
Vaccaro only picked up due to Cyprien injury and Cyprien no longer on roster.

Don’t get me started on wasted draft capital and how great Mariota is because ummm....that was Webster also.......

I’m only about keeping it real. Tell me more how JRob has impressed you.........


@The Hammer youre better than that.
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Every GM and Team has misses. You can keep it real on both sides...

On the team or not, the Demarco Murray trade was genius. Helped us establish a new identity after years of mediocrity.

Klein was solid pick up and helped with the same cause. He had 2 good seasons and earned the contract. We’ll see if he lives up to it, but it’s not like we have cap issues. If he struggles again we can dump him. What was the alternative? Bring back Warmack?

Richard Matthews was a great signing. 100% worth the investment. JRob was supposed to know that he would have a breakdown in his 3rd year? Or that the QB he inherited wouldn’t be able to give him the ball after he had an injured offseason?

Trading DGB while most here were drooling over him, for a very serviceable, and needed, fill-in in Dennis Kelly was also genius.

Say what you want about Logan Ryan and Malcom Butler, but for the first time since fielding Finnegan and McCourty, we finally don’t have to worry about our secondary this offseason. That’s a plus. We’re brining back all 5, and they’ll certainly gel better this year.

It’s not like Tennessee and the Titans are on the top of every player’s destination wish list. Especially losing season after losing season. GMs don’t have magic wands. They have to do what they can with what’s realsically available. Are you saying you would fire Robinson? No one is perfect.
 
Riverman said:
Wish I hadn’t been disappointed so often enough to argue BUT:

Demarco Murray not on roster
Rishard Matthews head case not on roster
Delanie Walker acquired by WEBSTER
Kline had A (singular and overpaid) good year
Vaccaro only picked up due to Cyprien injury and Cyprien no longer on roster.

Don’t get me started on wasted draft capital and how great Mariota is because ummm....that was Webster also.......

I’m only about keeping it real. Tell me more how JRob has impressed you.........


@The Hammer youre better than that.
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oh how easily those sub .500 seasons are forgotten
 
Young54 said:
Every GM and Team has misses. You can keep it real on both sides...

........ Are you saying you would fire Robinson? No one is perfect.
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I agree totally. I just have to constantly remind everyone thtat JRob is just an average GM working for a very average franchise. So as my point has been in this thread, prepare to be unimpressed with our FA. This organization only pays for depth players.

Don't really want to debate JRob- done that a bunch in other threads reveiwing draft capital etc.
 
Riverman said:
Wish I hadn’t been disappointed so often enough to argue BUT:

Demarco Murray not on roster
Rishard Matthews head case not on roster
Delanie Walker acquired by WEBSTER
Kline had A (singular and overpaid) good year
Vaccaro only picked up due to Cyprien injury and Cyprien no longer on roster.

Don’t get me started on wasted draft capital and how great Mariota is because ummm....that was Webster also.......

I’m only about keeping it real. Tell me more how JRob has impressed you.........


@The Hammer youre better than that.
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You could not be any more wrong.

Murray was a fantastic move, regardless if he's still on the roster or not.
Matthews, likewise was a great value move, regardless if he's still on the roster or not.
Vaccaro was a great move.

And you fail to mention Ryan and and Jones as great FA signings.

And wasted draft capital? 2016 he got Conklin, Byard, and Henry. 3 high quality starters. Also got Sharpe, Sims, and Johnson who are good depth pieces. That's 6 useful players, 3 of which are quality starters.

2017 - Davis, Jackson, and Brown are high quality starters. Taylor, Smith, and Levin are good depth players. Again, 6 useful players

2018 - Only 4 picks due to trades. Still early, but it appears we again got 3 quality starters with Landry, Evans, and Cruikshank. Falk is a JAG, but he was a 6th rounder, so not concerned.

Edit: Upon further review, Woodyard was a Webster signing. I could have sworn he was a J-Rob signing.
 
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Riverman said:
I agree totally. I just have to constantly remind everyone thtat JRob is just an average GM working for a very average franchise. So as my point has been in this thread, prepare to be unimpressed with our FA. This organization only pays for depth players.

Don't really want to debate JRob- done that a bunch in other threads reveiwing draft capital etc.
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You really shouldn't. People are quite aware of how you feel.

We made two deals with quality players for reasonable cost amidst all of the ridiculous money being thrown around. That says something about him.
 
Young54 said:
Damn that’s solid! I’m cool with us bringing Vaccaro back but, not gonna lie, for the extra $5M I think I’d prefer this deal.

Oh well. There is something to be said about staying with the same system and knowing the players around you. Kenny is still young and should be better than last year.
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I think its good for team morale, which goes a long ways. KV came in, and in a short amount of time, became a very solid player for us.
 
Young54 said:
Damn that’s solid! I’m cool with us bringing Vaccaro back but, not gonna lie, for the extra $5M I think I’d prefer this deal.

Oh well. There is something to be said about staying with the same system and knowing the players around you. Kenny is still young and should be better than last year.
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You think Joyner would take $10mil less to play here?
 
Riverman said:
I agree totally. I just have to constantly remind everyone thtat JRob is just an average GM working for a very average franchise. So as my point has been in this thread, prepare to be unimpressed with our FA. This organization only pays for depth players.

Don't really want to debate JRob- done that a bunch in other threads reveiwing draft capital etc.
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I would say above average. Don't underestimate 3 winning seasons with an improving roster each year. We had terrible luck with the injury bug last year and we still went 9-7 in what is now a very competitive division.

It doesn't have to be splashy to be right. The Jags were splashy and it got them one good season. Feels like we're going about it the right way. Can you think of 15 GMs you'd rather have? I can't.

Obviously you can always focus on the misses but he's done a great job turning this sinking ship around. Could he have drafted better? Sure. But everyone can. What Chris Ballard did last year was incredible but you can't expect that every year. JRob has been good and our team is getting better every year, or do you disagree with that?

In addition to solid FAs and Drafts, don't forget he also brought in Vrabel. The jury is obviously still out, but so far, so good.
 
Scarecrow said:
I think its good for team morale, which goes a long ways. KV came in, and in a short amount of time, became a very solid player for us.
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Very true. Like I said, I don't hate it.

steverife said:
You think Joyner would take $10mil less to play here?
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It's only $5M less. I think he's wroth that extra cash. Why are you saying $10? I don't know if he has to pay taxes in Cali or Neveda, but he might be better off in TN because of the state tax. The Raiders aren't like the Patriots where we would have to drastically outbid. I think if we matched the deal he would consider it. Yea, if we could have him for the same deal, I'd take it.
 
Riverman said:
Wish I hadn’t been disappointed so often enough to argue BUT:

Demarco Murray not on roster
Rishard Matthews head case not on roster
Delanie Walker acquired by WEBSTER
Kline had A (singular and overpaid) good year
Vaccaro only picked up due to Cyprien injury and Cyprien no longer on roster.

Don’t get me started on wasted draft capital and how great Mariota is because ummm....that was Webster also.......

I’m only about keeping it real. Tell me more how JRob has impressed you.........


@The Hammer youre better than that.
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i dont know if its because its the offseason but i guess some people just can not read? i didn’t say anything was wrong with Websters FA. He made a couple obvious 1st round picks that have been solid, but as far as overall depth picks through the draft he’s heen gruesome. Just of recent the Bishop Sankey pick, Justin Hunter pick, Kendall Wright, Chance Warmack (i could go on but id trigger some folks PTSD)
 
Teddy B staying with the Saints. Spurned a bigger offer from the Dolphins so we presumably had no shot. Wonder if we’ll look at Tyrod for back up QB now.
 
Preston Smith joining the Packers. They’ve already got Z Smith and Amos... revamping that defense quickly
 
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