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If he blows up 2019, franchise tag. If he blows up again in 2020 long term deal.So if he does it once, you think we should tag him at a HIGHER rate for another year to see if he can do it twice in a row? Or no matter what he does this year, you'd dump him and spend a majority of multiple drafts to get a new franchise guy in the draft or take a chance on a journeyman like Tannehill and hope our less experienced offensive staff can get more out of him than the more experienced staff he was playing under?
But shouldn’t that tell you something? Lol. They brought MANY pieces in. So what you’re saying is, is that Lewan, Conklin, (now potentially Saffold, Nate Davis) Kelly, Lewis, Henry, Murray, Taylor, C. Davis, Matthews, Jonnu Smith, multiple coordinators and coaches, all suck and Mariota is great lol. I don’t buy that. He is at fault as well. Pedestrian stats, inconsistency, injury, all apparent. We went 8-8 and 9-7 and he didn’t even start them all. So that is so called “winning” dominantly. Here’s one....Unknown quarterback comes in and STAYS HEALTHY and consistent...unknown takes chances and shots downfield. Unknown quarterback elevates those around him...Josh Rosen was an unknown and matched him with garbage....Mayfield surpassed him his first year...It’s rolling the dice for sure, I get it, but don’t sit here and act like replacing Mariota is so terrible. I could care less about beating some playoff teams in the regular season. Get me to the playoffs often, beat teams you’re supposed to beat, stay healthy. What a crock of crap. Lol
Mariota obviously played better in many ways. But the low TD production is concerning. You can see that 11 TDs is a number associated with bad QBs, like Rosen.It would be amusing to watch you argue with yourself except you are attempting to argue with me or someone else but making up our points and arguing them against yourself.
This is what haters do...just make stuff up!
Did I say Lewan sucked? Nope...just the opposite. Did I say Saffold or Nate Davis or any other newcomer or draft pick sucks? Nope. Wrong again.
Did I say Mariota was great and doesn't deserve any blame? NOPE! Try again!
So you think Rosen's year last year was as good as Mariota? LOL!!!
It's hysterical when you talk about how great Rosen was and claim he was surrounded by garbage...isn't that as EXCUSE??? But for Mariota, there's no excuses!!!
I'd disagree he was surrounded by garbage. Fitzgerald is a Hall of Fame wr who's on the downside and David Johnson is a very good multi-purpose back. I can't comment on their OL because I don't watch them play, do you?
But be that as it may...let's look at your Rosen MATCHED Mariota claim...because I don't think it's close.
Rosen threw for 2278 yards...Mariota threw for 2528...an extra 250 yards (or about a game's MORE production)! AND Rosen had 23 MORE attempts (almost another game's worth of throws)!
That's because Rosen had a paltry 55% completion % compared to Mariota's robust 69%!!!
It's also because Rosen had a TERRIBLE 5.8 YPA while Mariota's is very solid at 7.6..almost 2 yards HIGHER!!!
Furthermore, Rosen had 11 TD's and 14 INT's on more attempts than Mariota's 11 TD's and 8 INT's. Mariota also had 2 rushing TD's and 2 lost fumbles to bring his totals to 13 TD's vs 10 turnovers. I don't these are close considering one has a positive ratio and the other a very negative ratio. Mariota also adds another 350yds rushing compared to Rosen's 140 yards. That's another 210 yard advantage to Mariota (or two games of rushing yards).
So let's take a look at more comprehensive stats. Rosen had a QB rating of 66.7. To put that into context, you hope your backup qb is in the 80's!!! Mariota had a qb rating of 92.3! Comparable? NO!
But let's take a better measure which includes game play situations so we make sure we aren't giving Mariota the benefit of padding stats in blowouts. Mariota had a QBR of 55.6 last year. Rosen had a QBR of 25.9!!!
50 is considered avg.
Still think Rosen MATCHED Mariota's play last year? I don't think it's close. Now do I think Rosen sucks? Not at all. I think he did his best in a difficult situation. But he didn't play at even a backup level last year and Mariota played at a starter level (not the level of starter we want...but you get the idea).
JR and I used to get in these arguments all the time last year. So I know for a fact he’s not a Mariota hater, he’s just a realist.Gut, how long you been a fluffer for Mariota? Lol. Listen, if you want to call me a “hater” and write responses the length of a dear Abby, that’s fine.....i’ll In turn call you a Mary nut swinger. I find your defense of him just as funny as you find my posts. It’s okay, we can agree to disagree, and despite what you think, I do see both sides and want him to do well. I just don’t have rose colored glasses on, and I don’t settle for average which is exactly what he has been. Plain and simple. Take away our defense being tops at points allowed and points averaged, and we aren’t a winning team. Josh Rosen threw 11 TD’s. Same as your golden boy. I find it kind of funny to be honest....
Gut, how long you been a fluffer for Mariota? Lol. Listen, if you want to call me a “hater” and write responses the length of a dear Abby, that’s fine.....i’ll In turn call you a Mary nut swinger. I find your defense of him just as funny as you find my posts. It’s okay, we can agree to disagree, and despite what you think, I do see both sides and want him to do well. I just don’t have rose colored glasses on, and I don’t settle for average which is exactly what he has been. Plain and simple. Take away our defense being tops at points allowed and points averaged, and we aren’t a winning team. Josh Rosen threw 11 TD’s. Same as your golden boy. I find it kind of funny to be honest....
JR and I used to get in these arguments all the time last year. So I know for a fact he’s not a Mariota hater, he’s just a realist.
Agree to disagree
3 words instead of 8000. For f*cksake GuT
Mariota deniers are tantamount to flat Earthers and antivaxxers.
Doesn’t matter how much information you provide, they will believe what they want
Lol, you say insults while literally trying to clown on me with your 5 page letter before about talking in circles, being a hater, being ridiculous ......Yet you deny my factual comments...hmmmm interesting.I see, so you make ridiculous statements. I call you out on them and point out your hypocrisy...and all you got are insults?
:disappointed:
That's when you've lost all credibility.
Thanks for playing!
Lol, you say insults while literally trying to clown on me with your 5 page letter before about talking in circles, being a hater, being ridiculous ......Yet you deny my factual comments...hmmmm interesting.
Ok, lets see. Mary had 3 wins vs playoff teams last year. Thats 1 more than Philip Rivers, Deshaun Watson and Andrew Luck.So answer my question, what has Marcus done or shown that makes him worthy of a long term commitment?....They’ve added help, tried new coaches, etc. It’s on him. As of this moment, he isn’t worth a long term deal because he has been AVERAGE at best...I could rattle a billion stats, but we all know it’s true and for good reason...As does the front office. It’s time to start holding HIM accountable. That comes with the position.
Fact is, this team is a whole lot of average. ....Take away our top defense
...we are sick of everyone making excuses and pointing the finger at literally everyone else but the guy with the ball most.
Everyone agrees with that...The front office, people watching games, analysts, basically anywhere...
what’s next Gut, “Hall of fame” talk...Ya lost just as much credibility.
So answer my question, what has Marcus done or shown that makes him worthy of a long term commitment?....They’ve added help, tried new coaches, etc. It’s on him. As of this moment, he isn’t worth a long term deal because he has been AVERAGE at best...I could rattle a billion stats, but we all know it’s true and for good reason...As does the front office. It’s time to start holding HIM accountable. That comes with the position.
Except for when he played against them.Ok, lets see. Mary had 3 wins vs playoff teams last year. Thats 1 more than Philip Rivers, Deshaun Watson and Andrew Luck.
Those are the 3 QB's in our way, and he out did those guys?
THATS the trick, just beat 1 those guys to tip the scalesExcept for when he played against them.
We were stuck with Mary once the new league year started. If only we were able to trade for tannehill 2 weeks sooner then maybe we could have cut Mary.There are two sides to this coin. One side is that he has the intangibles and leadership and has shown flashes he can make the throws and can make big plays in big games. He played very well against the Eagles and Patriots for example. But the other side, though, is if he has to stay healthy and be more consistent playing at his A-game level. If he doesn't, he won't earn a long term contract extension. I think the front office thinks he can do it (or they would have cut him after getting Tannehill), but he's got to do it this year.