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Could not agree with that article more if I had written it myself.

If it's me, I ride out the season. Fire Vrabel. Sign a FA qb in free agency, draft a rookie in the draft. Let most of the FAs walk.

If we are gonna have to reset, do it freaking clean.

no. Keep Vrabel have him and JRob workout coaching position or player coach with Brady. Let them all 3 pay kings ransom to bring in their QB. give it 3 years. Then clean it out and start over if we are not SB contenders.
 
no. Keep Vrabel have him and JRob workout coaching position or player coach with Brady. Let them all 3 pay kings ransom to bring in their QB. give it 3 years. Then clean it out and start over if we are not SB contenders.

I simply don't see what we gain by keeping Vrabel. I can see what we lose. Any offensive guru is going to want the top job. Find one. Give it to him. Start over with a new staff and new qb.
 
no. Keep Vrabel have him and JRob workout coaching position or player coach with Brady. Let them all 3 pay kings ransom to bring in their QB. give it 3 years. Then clean it out and start over if we are not SB contenders.
Why keep Vrabel? Name a positive contribution he has made to the team because I can’t think of one.
 
Why keep Vrabel? Name a positive contribution he has made to the team because I can’t think of one.

he gets credit for the D if you’re knocking him for the O. He’s equally responsible for both. He got Pees here.

JRob and Vrabel get their QB choice. Arthur Smith was hired for continuity from Mariota. Vrabel wanted the Ohio St guy but was vetoed by Amy/JRob.
 
he gets credit for the D if you’re knocking him for the O. He’s equally responsible for both. He got Pees here.

JRob and Vrabel get their QB choice. Arthur Smith was hired for continuity from Mariota. Vrabel wanted the Ohio St guy but was vetoed by Amy/JRob.

The defense was already above average before Vrabel and Pees got here. While the defense is better under Pees, i don't think the improvement there outweighs the significant regression this team has seen on offense and even special teams since Vrabel took over.
 
he gets credit for the D if you’re knocking him for the O. He’s equally responsible for both. He got Pees here.

JRob and Vrabel get their QB choice. Arthur Smith was hired for continuity from Mariota. Vrabel wanted the Ohio St guy but was vetoed by Amy/JRob.

You're not wrong.

But I'm not interested in fair. I'm interested in fixing this team. BEST case scenario keeping Vrabel, we hire some oc, he utterly turns the offense around with our new rookie, and then walks after a year or two to be head coach somewhere else.

If you believe you have an offensive guru, just give him the big chair. It's much easier to find a good defensive coordinator.
 
he gets credit for the D if you’re knocking him for the O. He’s equally responsible for both. He got Pees here.

JRob and Vrabel get their QB choice. Arthur Smith was hired for continuity from Mariota. Vrabel wanted the Ohio St guy but was vetoed by Amy/JRob.
Vrabel brought in Pees and Lafleur.
 
and Offense is the same with TheFlower and ART, so Vrabel is controlling the Offense
Not so fast, playcalling is very different .

Even if the plays are the same, doesn't immediately make the product on the field the same.

Would've been nice to see what Lafleur might have done his 2nd year here - and 3rd year ever - as an OC.
 
The defense was already above average before Vrabel and Pees got here. While the defense is better under Pees, i don't think the improvement there outweighs the significant regression this team has seen on offense and even special teams since Vrabel took over.

Vrabel is responsible for both or neither. Right now we’re one game under .500. So slight regression. But is entirely on the offense. Vrabel has been hands off because he admits he’s not an offensive guy. He needs to get the guy he wants for offense, then blast him if it doesn’t improve.
 
You're not wrong.

But I'm not interested in fair. I'm interested in fixing this team. BEST case scenario keeping Vrabel, we hire some oc, he utterly turns the offense around with our new rookie, and then walks after a year or two to be head coach somewhere else.

If you believe you have an offensive guru, just give him the big chair. It's much easier to find a good defensive coordinator.
That’s not necessarily true. There are plenty of good OC’s around the league that have failed as HC’s and go back to coordinator and spend the rest of their careers as that. If Vrabel can land someone like that and get a good QB here then I think they’ll be in good hands
 
he gets credit for the D if you’re knocking him for the O. He’s equally responsible for both. He got Pees here.

JRob and Vrabel get their QB choice. Arthur Smith was hired for continuity from Mariota. Vrabel wanted the Ohio St guy but was vetoed by Amy/JRob.
Defense was good under Lebeau, maybe a little better under Pees.
However remember the game last year where Pees haf to be taken to the hospital and the D collapsed as a result?
So yeah he got Pees here, but not a big improvement over Lebeau.
 
That’s not necessarily true. There are plenty of good OC’s around the league that have failed as HC’s and go back to coordinator and spend the rest of their careers as that. If Vrabel can land someone like that and get a good QB here then I think they’ll be in good hands
Norv Turner, for example.

I think so much has to with whatever JRob does at QB and RB.
 
That’s not necessarily true. There are plenty of good OC’s around the league that have failed as HC’s and go back to coordinator and spend the rest of their careers as that. If Vrabel can land someone like that and get a good QB here then I think they’ll be in good hands

Yea, I mean why doesnt he just do that? Problem solved.
 
Yea, I mean why doesnt he just do that? Problem solved.
I’m speaking towards the future. Art was promoted for consistency for Mariota. Now that era is seemingly over, so he can go try to land a good OC and this looks like it could be a good year for free agent QB’s and draft prospects. Try posting something of substance instead of just being a smart ass
 
no. Keep Vrabel have him and JRob workout coaching position or player coach with Brady. Let them all 3 pay kings ransom to bring in their QB. give it 3 years. Then clean it out and start over if we are not SB contenders.
This is the only idea that really makes sense to me. Fresh start with new OC, very expensive draft QB, and 3 years. Burn it to the ground if we are not a top tier team at that point.
 
What exactly is the consistency?

The playbook?
Terminology?
Both, Art has been around since Munch so he’s seen all of the offenses Mariota has been a part of here. The better question is why? Why go with someone who has never coordinated an offense, and why keep consistency with an offense that Mariota clearly isn’t equipped to run....but that’s a whole different story
 
Both, Art has been around since Munch so he’s seen all of the offenses Mariota has been a part of here. The better question is why? Why go with someone who has never coordinated an offense, and why keep consistency with an offense that Mariota clearly isn’t equipped to run....but that’s a whole different story
But here's the problem... gametime.

None of this matters if the gameplan and offensive decisions during that game are different.
 
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