Seriously, let's look at this objectively.
it's very relevant to DW
in other words : college success doesn't = pro success
I thought I was pretty clear that I agreed with that. You said Cutler should be on the same level as Young. I told you why he shouldn't. Success in college IS a factor. Hell, why don't we just draft a major league pitcher to come play football ? He has a great arm !
Well, frankly I don't give a **** about bowl games, heisman trophy or what have you. I look at a given players abilities and skills and frankly, the athleticism of Young aside, they look to be about even.
Cutler has a better arm than Young and he hasn't played strictly from a shotgun position.
All good points but you still admit Young is about as good as Cutler without his mobility which is all I'm saying.
Can it? Who's having more success the Roethlisberger's, Brady's et al or the Brooks', Vick's et al?
If your quarterbacks primary weapon is his feet, you're in trouble.
I don't get it. Are you grouping Brooks and Vick in the same group because they're black or something ? Roethlesberger can move it big time and Brooks rarely runs. Look back at some of the archived previews of him before the draft. He was a big time athlete with a big arm, much like they're saying about Young right now. There are plenty of pocket passers who bust also... there are just far more pocket passers overall so it stands to reason that more of them will succeed.
Eric Crouch was a proven winner too.
And all the things I hear about about Vince Young I also heard about Akili Smith... and he was selected 3rd overall as well (uhoh)
Akili Smith had one good year... Vince Young has had two good years and an excellent year. Akili Smith also didn't play in the Big 12. I don't really see where your comparison is. Akili Smith couldn't run like Young. He wasn't the leader Young is.
Eric Crouch ? He turned the NFL down by choice iirc. I think he was drafted in the 3rd round as a safety.
And I did watch the Rose Bowl and 2 things:
1) USC's defence is not as talented as the South team in the Senior Bowl.
2) Vince Young didn't win by being a perfect passer, he won using his feet. But in the NFL the defences are so much faster, it won't be enough to rely on just that (again ask Vick). 30/40 for 267 yards 0 int and 0 td's doesn't really impress me I'm afraid. Sure it's a great completion rate, but a 6.7 avg is a little low.
1) Are you kidding me ? Texas' offense is not as talented as the players Cutler was playing with either lol.
2) He made many plays with his feet. Many of those were designed runs as well. 30/40 for 267 is not impressive ? He was practically flawless (running as well as throwing) with no big name receivers or running game to speak of.
Like SK said... the jury's still out about who will turn out to be the better pro. All we can do is take our best educated guess like everyone else, but part of that guess involves looking at what they have done over the past three or four seasons on the field. Young clearly has a large lead over Cutler in that aspect.