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It means he hedges his bets and goes back in time to make a different call if he needs toI don't know what that even means...
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It means he hedges his bets and goes back in time to make a different call if he needs toI don't know what that even means...
it means at the time when you were saying sign him, that would actually be considered early since he was still under contract. But we should have known to sign him early in his rookie deal. Why not resign all rookie players to long term contracts in their 2nd or 3rd year? Just think of the players we might have signed around year 2 or 3 if we went with that.. Mariota for instance.. probably for a "deal" for a franchise qb at 21mil a year.I don't know what that even means...
Yeaaaaa!!!!it means at the time when you were saying sign him, that would actually be considered early since he was still under contract. But we should have known to sign him early in his rookie deal. Why not resign all rookie players to long term contracts in their 2nd or 3rd year? Just think of the players we might have signed around year 2 or 3 if we went with that.. Mariota for instance.. probably for a "deal" for a franchise qb at 21mil a year.
Totally plausible that he was expected to be the franchise RT until he tore his ACL. Zero argument with wanting to see the recovery process on that and his first year back wasn’t great. Cleveland was willing to shell out a lot of money on what appeared to be a question mark or at least a player not worth that much after his ACL tear. Good gamble for Cleveland, it payed off. Not a big loss for Tennessee.Agree on Jackson and Davis but I think the point with Conklin is, if he was drafted to be the "franchise RT" after the trade up to get him, seems like that was the thought he should have been locked after year 2
Did we miss him? No but we could have had him cheaper than the 12-14 mil he's getting
No one does a long-term deal for players going into the third season of their rookie contract — especially coming off a major injury like Conklin was.Agree on Jackson and Davis but I think the point with Conklin is, if he was drafted to be the "franchise RT" after the trade up to get him, seems like that was the thought he should have been locked after year 2
Did we miss him? No but we could have had him cheaper than the 12-14 mil he's getting
Exactly my opinion. You are not “building” through the draft, you are “replacing” through the draft if you can’t retain your guys. And anyone who thinks Conklin wouldn’t have made a difference didn’t watch the playoff last season. Our OL was pushed around fairly easily. Henry’s 2.2 yards per carry were a result of that. It’s why Kelly is gone.Main issue for me is if you spend a high pick on a guy, who works out to become a high quality player and you let him go just to use another high pick (a 56% gamble even in the first round) on his replacement you never get ahead.
What high quality player have the Titans drafted and not kept?Main issue for me is if you spend a high pick on a guy, who works out to become a high quality player and you let him go just to use another high pick (a 56% gamble even in the first round) on his replacement you never get ahead.
Stop using logic!!!Typically the Titan perspective is the guy sucks if we don't sign him ......but interestingly almost everyone gave props to the Browns for getting him at the price they did. His estimated value fell right at $14 mil by NFL Salary Cap, Player Contracts, Salaries, Bonuses and Analysis | Over the Cap. You are also one season off in your thinking. Yea, he tore his knee in the playoffs and was not as good the next year (2018). His last year at TN he might not have been 100% either but he was the 10th rated OT per PFF 2020 (includes LT and RT) a pro-bowl level OT. Rated the #2 OT in free agency as an "average" OT per PFF.
Now do some simple math. 1st round picks hit at an average of 56%. Obviously that % drops some as you get later in the 1st round. So we use a 1st round pick on an OT who obviously fell into the 44%+ as a total bust. Now I didn't have a problem signing Kelly after we let Conklin go but my real problem is letting Conklin go and then turning around and using a 1st round pick on an OT. If JRob's plan was to do that why not keep Conklin? And by the way the POS Beasley was paid what Conklin made last year and Conklin was had for a three, not a five, year deal meaning even if he is "average" it is a contract you can get out of in a few years easy enough.
By the way we did sign Kelly to a 3 year contract near $6 mil a year so to keep Conklin it would have cost us $8 mil more as we don't sign Kelly in that scenario. Now we have cut Kelly and are still taking a $4 mil dead money hit while paying Lamm $4 mil a year (Conklin costs us only $6 mil more this year on the CAP).
And if that is not enough, aren't we looking at using another fairly early pick on a RT? So assuming we find an OT in the 3rd round (knowing JRob he might pull the trigger again in the 1st) and we get lucky and the guy isn't a total turd we still used a wasted 1st and 3rd or better to maybe replace Conklin.
Well you're not the GM so you don't have to worry about it then lolI wasn't for drafting Conklin and wasn't for drafting Wilson...unless the guy can truly be a LT then I'm not drafting him in the first rnd. I'm also not paying my RT as the 2nd highest paid RT in the league.
We have some agreements here.Typically the Titan perspective is the guy sucks if we don't sign him ......but interestingly almost everyone gave props to the Browns for getting him at the price they did. His estimated value fell right at $14 mil by NFL Salary Cap, Player Contracts, Salaries, Bonuses and Analysis | Over the Cap. You are also one season off in your thinking. Yea, he tore his knee in the playoffs and was not as good the next year (2018). His last year at TN he might not have been 100% either but he was the 10th rated OT per PFF 2020 (includes LT and RT) a pro-bowl level OT. Rated the #2 OT in free agency as an "average" OT per PFF.
Now do some simple math. 1st round picks hit at an average of 56%. Obviously that % drops some as you get later in the 1st round. So we use a 1st round pick on an OT who obviously fell into the 44%+ as a total bust. Now I didn't have a problem signing Kelly after we let Conklin go but my real problem is letting Conklin go and then turning around and using a 1st round pick on an OT. If JRob's plan was to do that why not keep Conklin? And by the way the POS Beasley was paid what Conklin made last year and Conklin was had for a three, not a five, year deal meaning even if he is "average" it is a contract you can get out of in a few years easy enough.
By the way we did sign Kelly to a 3 year contract near $6 mil a year so to keep Conklin it would have cost us $8 mil more as we don't sign Kelly in that scenario. Now we have cut Kelly and are still taking a $4 mil dead money hit while paying Lamm $4 mil a year (Conklin costs us only $6 mil more this year on the CAP).
And if that is not enough, aren't we looking at using another fairly early pick on a RT? So assuming we find an OT in the 3rd round (knowing JRob he might pull the trigger again in the 1st) and we get lucky and the guy isn't a total turd we still used a wasted 1st and 3rd or better to maybe replace Conklin.
Agreed. I think we're done at OT.I am hoping if JRob and Co. think we need more help at RT that they do it through FA after the draft. Kelly is still out there, we could offer him a team friendly deal to come back. There's also Fisher and Schwartz who played for KC last year.
All that being said, I thought Sambrailo was descent last year filling in for Lewan. He may even be better on the right side. I say we are set at OT anyway.
Well, I don't put much into anything PFF ranks but he was ranked the #45th OT his third season (where he played only nine games). During that season, Conk had a concussion along with the knee issues which put him on the IR.Typically the Titan perspective is the guy sucks if we don't sign him ......but interestingly almost everyone gave props to the Browns for getting him at the price they did. His estimated value fell right at $14 mil by NFL Salary Cap, Player Contracts, Salaries, Bonuses and Analysis | Over the Cap. You are also one season off in your thinking. Yea, he tore his knee in the playoffs and was not as good the next year (2018). His last year at TN he might not have been 100% either but he was the 10th rated OT per PFF 2020 (includes LT and RT) a pro-bowl level OT. Rated the #2 OT in free agency as an "average" OT per PFF.
I think Kelly was to be a stop-gap/insurance for a couple of seasons. I don't understand using a #1 at OT last season either but, I assume, JRob didn't plan on him starting until this season and wanted Panda to get some experience last season.Now I didn't have a problem signing Kelly after we let Conklin go but my real problem is letting Conklin go and then turning around and using a 1st round pick on an OT.
With needs at CB and WR, I hope to hell an OT isn't picked in the first after releasing Kelly and signing Lamm.And if that is not enough, aren't we looking at using another fairly early pick on a RT? So assuming we find an OT in the 3rd round (knowing JRob he might pull the trigger again in the 1st) and we get lucky and the guy isn't a total turd we still used a wasted 1st and 3rd or better to maybe replace Conklin.
Typically the Titan perspective is the guy sucks if we don't sign him ......but interestingly almost everyone gave props to the Browns for getting him at the price they did. His estimated value fell right at $14 mil by NFL Salary Cap, Player Contracts, Salaries, Bonuses and Analysis | Over the Cap. You are also one season off in your thinking. Yea, he tore his knee in the playoffs and was not as good the next year (2018). His last year at TN he might not have been 100% either but he was the 10th rated OT per PFF 2020 (includes LT and RT) a pro-bowl level OT. Rated the #2 OT in free agency as an "average" OT per PFF.
Now do some simple math. 1st round picks hit at an average of 56%. Obviously that % drops some as you get later in the 1st round. So we use a 1st round pick on an OT who obviously fell into the 44%+ as a total bust. Now I didn't have a problem signing Kelly after we let Conklin go but my real problem is letting Conklin go and then turning around and using a 1st round pick on an OT. If JRob's plan was to do that why not keep Conklin? And by the way the POS Beasley was paid what Conklin made last year and Conklin was had for a three, not a five, year deal meaning even if he is "average" it is a contract you can get out of in a few years easy enough.
By the way we did sign Kelly to a 3 year contract near $6 mil a year so to keep Conklin it would have cost us $8 mil more as we don't sign Kelly in that scenario. Now we have cut Kelly and are still taking a $4 mil dead money hit while paying Lamm $4 mil a year (Conklin costs us only $6 mil more this year on the CAP).
And if that is not enough, aren't we looking at using another fairly early pick on a RT? So assuming we find an OT in the 3rd round (knowing JRob he might pull the trigger again in the 1st) and we get lucky and the guy isn't a total turd we still used a wasted 1st and 3rd or better to maybe replace Conklin.
yeah...
Titans put a value on Conklin, like they always do, and made an economic decision to watch him leave. Its what the Titans do.
They are usually correct... but looks like possibly this time they might not have been