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Haynesworth92 said:Puck how come Reggie Bush's jersey is so much redder than Leinart's in your sig?
He's the proverbial Burning Bush... :flame:Haynesworth92 said:Puck how come Reggie Bush's jersey is so much redder than Leinart's in your sig?
I didn't say his stats weren't decent. I said he didn't play a decent game. Not compared to what he normally does . He struggled for most of the game and rarely was able to string together a drive. And in clutch time, he threw a game deciding INT (after which the refs promptly gave him the world's biggest mulligan).Soxcat said:I would say 22/38 for 290 yards and a TD was "decent" if not more than decent.
Manning calls the plays. Why didn't he audible into better protection calls? Why didn't he call more short drops? Why didn't he get Edge more carries (he did average 4.3 YPC) to negate the blitz?The OL gave Manning no time to throw the ball and the Steelers shut down the Indy running game. Manning was also sacked 5 times in the game. Not too many QBs that have that much pressure on them are able to throw for almost 300 yards.
That wouldn't have happened if the Colts offense didn't 3-and-out on 3 of their first 4 posessions and punt on all 4. But I guess it's not Peyton's fault their offense didn't do anything. Hey, wait...Add in that the Indy defense spotted the Steelers 14 points and allowed the Steelers to control the clock with a 10 minute advantage in TOP Manning did well to get Indy back into the game.
And I stand by that. McNair was never the focus of the Titans offense in 1999. He never had any big passing numbers. And Fisher went ultraconservative against the dominant Buffalo D. And still, unlike Manning, McNair still managed some big, game changing plays.Of course Starkiller also said McNair had a decent game in the Music City Miracle win after Mcnair was 13-24 for 76 yards, 1 INT, 0 TD.
Puck said:I was wondering when someone would ask that :ha:
apparently the lighting is different
one is probably in daylight
while the other under artificial lights
ok,... i went and looked at both raw pics
Matt is in daylight
Reggie is just at dusk with the lights on
--(I did brighten Reggie a little but only so you could (kinda) see his face)
if you look closely at Reggie's helmet you can see 3 lights and 'skyglow' - near the back of his helmet at the logo you can see the sunsetting
take different colored articles of clothing and look at them under sunlight and artificial / flourescent lighting and you'll see a big difference 9 times out of 10
RollTide said:You guys don't have those same high standards for anyone else. Why is it that peyton manning has to verify himself by winning it all? Steve mcnair won't ever win a super bowl should we have hundreds of posts bashing him? How many super bowls did rich gannon win? Trent green? Daunte culpepper? Mcnabb?
There are only 4 active QBs with a super bowl ring. Brad johnson, brett favre, brady and warner. Three of those guys are on their last leg. If only 4 QBs have won the super bowl that means that almost thirty starting QBs out there have not. So why is manning so special? Go look at john elway's super bowl stats in his first three super bowls. He sucked!
Do you guys hate manning because he is so good? You pathetic lives are filled with such failures that you don't like a guy who is that good at something? You have low self esteem and your self loathing somehow gets a break by watching someone good fall short? Why don't you losers use that energy to bash this football team of ours and it's pathetic performance this year. That would be more contsructive and maybe more therapeutic.
Starkiller said:...McNair was never the focus of the Titans offense in 1999. He never had any big passing numbers. And Fisher went ultraconservative against the dominant Buffalo D. And still, unlike Manning, McNair still managed some big, game changing plays.
Again, I'm not talking stats. I'm talking about overall play.
Gunny said:Let's get one thing Straight, Bettis let the Colts back into the game with his fumble which should have taken them up by 10.
And they can blame Harper's wife all they want, he turned the wrong way on Big Ben.
Soxcat said:And if McNair had been the Colt's QB in that game the Colt's would have been lucky to score a single point. Was Pittsburg a "dominant" defense Sunday? Did the Colts have the option of going "ultraconservative"?
You put the weight of the world on Manning and even when he almost brings his team back with a 290 yard passing day against unbelievable pressure all game and you say he wasn't decent. McNair hands the ball off all game and throws 5 yard passes, doesn't even break the 100 yard mark and yet because he got lucky and had a miracle play to win the game he is now decent. Sorry, if we don't get that miracle play and win that game McNair's playoff record is crap. Remember how McNair chocked and lost the next year. Good thing for McNair the best pass of the game against the Bills was thrown by Wycheck.
Get another thing straight. The Steelers blew through the Colt's OL on the Colt's series before the Bettis fumble giving Manning absolutely no chance to move the Colt's down field.
As far as I'm concerned if everyone wants to blame Manning totally for the loss people are showing their complete lack of football knowledge and understanding. No other QB in the game would have done better under the circumstances. As I said before, if the Colts some how came back to tie and later win that game (and they were only a FG away from OT) that game would have gone down in history as a playoff classic and Manning would have been the hero. For years fans would have been talking about how Manning's leadership took over on 4th down as he insisted on going for the first down instead of punting.
TitanJeff said:Manning's regular season brings on the expectation he can play to that level in the postseason and he rarely has. No, it wasn't entirely his fault the Colts offense played poorly but is he above criticism?
We can't know how a Brady (or any other QB) would have played that game because most QBs have an offensive coordinator calling the plays. And you can bet some of those plays would have been designed to slow down that pass rush. He didn't utilize one of the best rushers in the game nearly as well as he should have and made a number of bad decisions throughout the game.
I think everyone who watched that game realizes that it wasn't all on Manning. But I think it is also wrong to think no other QB in the league could have done better.dg1979us said:Of course he isnt above criticism, he didnt play a great game by any means. But its just amazing how the media, and this board, and wherever the entire emphasis is on manning and not the kicker, or not Wayne dropping a catchable pass in the endzone, or not the Oline not being able to pick up a blitz for anything. They all played their part in the loss, and certainly Manning did too, but from everyones reaction you would think Peyton was the only one who made any kind of mistakes and the rest of the team played flawless. He is getting criticized for converting on a 4th down conversion for gods sake because it was somehow disrespectful, its ridiculous in my opinion.
TitanJeff said:I think everyone who watched that game realizes that it wasn't all on Manning. But I think it is also wrong to think no other QB in the league could have done better.
RollTide said:Yeah those colts have really had trouble winning games the past 3 seasons. 12-4 in 2003, 12-4 in 2004 and 14-2 in 2005. Too bad they don't know how to win football games. Manning has won 66% of his games since his rookie year, missed the playoffs once in the last 7 seasons and won 78% of his games the last 3 years. That's including playoffs! I think whatever philosophy the colts are practicing is working.
What if manning lead his team to just 4 winning seasons out of 11? We would say he sucks? Well jeff fisher has coached the oilers/titans to just 4 winning seasons out of 11 and some of you think he is hall of fame material. I guess mediocrity is more appealing to some.
Soxcat said:As I said before, if the Colts some how came back to tie and later win that game (and they were only a FG away from OT) that game would have gone down in history as a playoff classic and Manning would have been the hero.
Look, I'm comparing McNair that day to his norm that year and his role in the offense. And I'm comparing Manning's effort on Sunday to his norm in 2005. I'm not saying Manning didn't have a better day passing in those 2 games. Nor am I saying that, in a vaccum, that I'd rather have McNair's stats over Manning's. But relative to their separate situations, I'd label McNair's performance decent and Manning's as sub-par.Soxcat said:And if McNair had been the Colt's QB in that game the Colt's would have been lucky to score a single point. Was Pittsburg a "dominant" defense Sunday? Did the Colts have the option of going "ultraconservative"?
You put the weight of the world on Manning and even when he almost brings his team back with a 290 yard passing day against unbelievable pressure all game and you say he wasn't decent.
Starkiller said:Look, I'm comparing McNair that day to his norm that year and his role in the offense. And I'm comparing Manning's effort on Sunday to his norm in 2005. I'm not saying Manning didn't have a better day passing in those 2 games. Nor am I saying that, in a vaccum, that I'd rather have McNair's stats over Manning's. But relative to their separate situations, I'd label McNair's performance decent and Manning's as sub-par.
You didn't respond to my point that Manning is calling all the plays on the field. Why didn't he call plays that would punish the blitz? He had the one long drive in the 1st half that ended in a FG, where they had a ton of short and intermediate gains. That was a well executed drive and Manning was never sacked. He was capable of calling those kind of plays all day long. Who else do you blame for giving up on that strategy?
Plus, I'm not going to ignore Manning's game sealing INT just because the refs bent over for him.