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If anyone were to develop severe side effects from that vaccine and were looking to sue, you would want to ask a potential lawyer questions about how they would overcome the fact that the feds gave the makers of the vaccine immunity from suit under the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (at least until 2024)?

The other question would be, how do you plan to overcome sovereign immunity if you have to sue the feds as well?

Of course, if a person is forced to take the vaccine, I obviously hope they do not develop severe side effects.

Generally speaking I believe I’ll be fine but being forced to take is additional insurance for me, that if I have a negative reaction, I’m getting paid by those that forced me to take it. The can go after the government specifically regarding the use, approval, push of the vaccine as a whole. Since I work for the government, my particular case would also be on the government dime.
Literally no one should be forced to take this vaccine yet. It needs more testing and specifically dealing with long term possible issues.

As it’s been discussed, this is looking more like a annual flu vaccine vice a one time measles or chicken pox vaccine. No one is forced to get a flu shot although highly recommended. But the flu scientists also recognize it changes every year, it’s about time the COVID scientists start regarding it in the same fashion and stop pushing get the falsehood that if you’re vaccinated, you’re good.

And, because this is an every year thing, time to drop all the restrictions (mask, social distancing, etc) because the reality is it’s never going away an no one wants to remain in these conditions indefinitely which goes to another falsehood about everyone getting vaccinated, that things will go back to normal. As we see n the current vaccinated population, that’s not happening.

 

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Not at all what happened in that video. But of course you previously just said unless you’re a scientist you cannot interpret public research data. So it’s no wonder you are so lost.

“here’s the definition of gain of function from Dr. Fauci’s website… are you telling me that’s not gain of function?”

Dr Fraud never even denied the NIH funded the wuhan lab. He only denied that the virus created from the funding isn’t the one we are dealing with today.

Pull your head out and get some air.

Yeah I encourage everyone to go back and watch the video, you’ll see where he said it was a sub award from EcoHealth. And it was. All public record verifies this.

 

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This more closely resembles the anthrax cases

It will which is still ongoing.

 

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Generally speaking I believe I’ll be fine but being forced to take is additional insurance for me, that if I have a negative reaction, I’m getting paid by those that forced me to take it. The can go after the government specifically regarding the use, approval, push of the vaccine as a whole. Since I work for the government, my particular case would also be on the government dime.
Literally no one should be forced to take this vaccine yet. It needs more testing and specifically dealing with long term possible issues.

As it’s been discussed, this is looking more like a annual flu vaccine vice a one time measles or chicken pox vaccine. No one is forced to get a flu shot although highly recommended. But the flu scientists also recognize it changes every year, it’s about time the COVID scientists start regarding it in the same fashion and stop pushing get the falsehood that if you’re vaccinated, you’re good.

And, because this is an every year thing, time to drop all the restrictions (mask, social distancing, etc) because the reality is it’s never going away an no one wants to remain in these conditions indefinitely which goes to another falsehood about everyone getting vaccinated, that things will go back to normal. As we see n the current vaccinated population, that’s not happening.

Actually, it very well did go back to normal for a little while or pretty close to it.

I don’t think that’s going to work out the way you want it to. A lot of military personnel did the same thing in the 90’s and 2000’s. We see how it panned out for them. The federal courts certainly will avoid it for as long as possible because the precedent is pretty clear, but it will be a touchy issue in the current political climate.

 

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It will which is still ongoing.

Yep and in 50 years it will still be ongoing :biglaugh:

 

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Actually, it very well did go back to normal for a little while or pretty close to it.

I don’t think that’s going to work out the way you want it to. A lot of military personnel did the same thing in the 90’s and 2000’s. We see how it panned out for them. The federal courts certainly will avoid it for as long as possible because the precedent is pretty clear, but it will be a touchy issue in the current political climate.

It may not but if I get the vaccine before mandated, it most certainly will not work out. That’s why I said it was additional insurance. If I volunteer for the shot, I have no case with anyone ever.

 

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Actually, it very well did go back to normal for a little while or pretty close to it.

I don’t think that’s going to work out the way you want it to. A lot of military personnel did the same thing in the 90’s and 2000’s. We see how it panned out for them. The federal courts certainly will avoid it for as long as possible because the precedent is pretty clear, but it will be a touchy issue in the current political climate.

It already is a touchy issue. Lawsuits on the legality of forcing the vaccine have already started. Secdef just published his mando memo on Wed. People were waiting for it. Navy still hasn’t published the official order yet (called navadmin or EXORD).

For the record, I don’t think anyone will win the case of arguing they don’t have to get it. Maybe the medical condition folks (which is extremely small) but I don’t think they’ll need a court case to be waived.

 

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Yep and in 50 years it will still be ongoing :biglaugh:

Different cases and certainly different starting points.
You remember how the news was dominated by anti-anthrax vaccine military members? Of course not. It was never even advertised to the public it was happening.

In this case, not only is there a rushed vaccine, with still ongoing effectiveness testing, but this has been argued from the onset.
I can’t predict how that would roll out, but lots of differences between the two cases despite some similarities.

 

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Anyone believing Dr. Fauci is some nefarious scientist hiding funding sources or whatever are just falling into the pool of the uninformed conspiracy nuts. Global funding or research into the SARS family of viruses has been ongoing for over 10 years, with a large dataset of genomic info derived from that work which allowed for the rapid development of the vaccines we now have today.

All the talk of the vaccine doesn't work and herd immunity is the answer clearly have not had a loved one, friend or acquaintance hooked to a ventilator or die from this virus. I am thankful we did not have this ridiculous mindset during the smallpox or polio era.

As stated above, the reason we are in the next surge is due to people who have been misinformed or politically are motivated not to take it even though their current and former political leaders have received it themselves. Political leaders and right wing media are willing to sacrifice the very people they service by convincing them to resist vaccination or give veterinary drugs a higher place on the shelf not realizing just how stupid that is.

As a scientist who works on new drug development projects, including new COVID vaccines, I am frustrated beyond belief. As a southerner I am done with all of them. No excuses anymore...could care less about any of the stories of them on their deathbed taking their last breath saying "I should have taken the vaccine". I hate that I have come to that but it's where I am at. Darwinism in full force action.

Play medical roulette if you want...take the vaccine if you want to guarantee you will not suffer from the worst this virus can deliver.

 

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It may not but if I get the vaccine before mandated, it most certainly will not work out. That’s why I said it was additional insurance. If I volunteer for the shot, I have no case with anyone ever.

And what do you think “work out” looks like? Large sums of cash thrown your way?

 

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Different cases and certainly different starting points.
You remember how the news was dominated by anti-anthrax vaccine military members? Of course not. It was never even advertised to the public it was happening.

In this case, not only is there a rushed vaccine, with still ongoing effectiveness testing, but this has been argued from the onset.
I can’t predict how that would roll out, but lots of differences between the two cases despite some similarities.

The anthrax scare was pretty big news in the late 90’s and early 2000’s and yes I do remember some of it

 

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Anyone believing Dr. Fauci is some nefarious scientist hiding funding sources or whatever are just falling into the pool of the uninformed conspiracy nuts. Global funding or research into the SARS family of viruses has been ongoing for over 10 years, with a large dataset of genomic info derived from that work which allowed for the rapid development of the vaccines we now have today.

All the talk of the vaccine doesn't work and herd immunity is the answer clearly have not had a loved one, friend or acquaintance hooked to a ventilator or die from this virus. I am thankful we did not have this ridiculous mindset during the smallpox or polio era.

As stated above, the reason we are in the next surge is due to people who have been misinformed or politically are motivated not to take it even though their current and former political leaders have received it themselves. Political leaders and right wing media are willing to sacrifice the very people they service by convincing them to resist vaccination or give veterinary drugs a higher place on the shelf not realizing just how stupid that is.

As a scientist who works on new drug development projects, including new COVID vaccines, I am frustrated beyond belief. As a southerner I am done with all of them. No excuses anymore...could care less about any of the stories of them on their deathbed taking their last breath saying "I should have taken the vaccine". I hate that I have come to that but it's where I am at. Darwinism in full force action.

Play medical roulette if you want...take the vaccine if you want to guarantee you will not suffer from the worst this virus can deliver.

Impossible to legitimately compare this to the same as small pox or polio era.

The fact that fauci has become the face of all of this makes him the easiest target to blame especially when he does t actually represent everyone in the same medical field. Clearly differing scientific research is being conducting so going strictly by what he says was a huge problem.
Next, he may not be nefarious or anything like that but he very well may be selfish which means all he had to do was accept some money to specifically become the face with what he has so far. It’s our governments fault for following that specific guy who for so e reason the CDC backed up at one time, maybe more because the WHO did while he was working with overseas folks.

All that aside, I’m super disappointed that someone would use the loss or serious illness effects of a loved one as an excuse to just buy into what is being pushed despite clear scientific contradictions.

 

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Different cases and certainly different starting points.
You remember how the news was dominated by anti-anthrax vaccine military members? Of course not. It was never even advertised to the public it was happening.

In this case, not only is there a rushed vaccine, with still ongoing effectiveness testing, but this has been argued from the onset.
I can’t predict how that would roll out, but lots of differences between the two cases despite some similarities.

It was same situation with anthrax

 

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And what do you think “work out” looks like? Large sums of cash thrown your way?

At a minimum, my life insurance policy isn’t compromised by something I didn’t choose to take.
Second, yes, there very well may be large sums of money for my family should I have the most extreme negative reactions.

Again, I’m not banking on all of this but I waive the chance at all of it by volunteering to get it.

 

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Impossible to legitimately compare this to the same as small pox or polio era.

The fact that fauci has become the face of all of this makes him the easiest target to blame especially when he does t actually represent everyone in the same medical field. Clearly differing scientific research is being conducting so going strictly by what he says was a huge problem.
Next, he may not be nefarious or anything like that but he very well may be selfish which means all he had to do was accept some money to specifically become the face with what he has so far. It’s our governments fault for following that specific guy who for so e reason the CDC backed up at one time, maybe more because the WHO did while he was working with overseas folks.

All that aside, I’m super disappointed that someone would use the loss or serious illness effects of a loved one as an excuse to just buy into what is being pushed despite clear scientific contradictions.

We see time and time again all these antivaxxers remorseful and suddenly pro-vaccine while on their deathbed. And at this point, most of us have lost friends or family or both. I’m super disappointed that Tennesseans can live in this and think it’s better.

 

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The anthrax scare was pretty big news in the late 90’s and early 2000’s and yes I do remember some of it

It was also not mandated to the general public and only forced on military getting deployed.
When I enlisted in 2001, wasn’t forced to get it, didn’t get it. When I deployed for my first time, everyone had to get it before deploying.
There are a lot of differences.

 

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Yeah I encourage everyone to go back and watch the video, you’ll see where he said it was a sub award from EcoHealth. And it was. All public record verifies this.

Yeah and Walter White laundromat business was very successful too… you’re more than welcome to share factual information other than your opinion anytime. But remember you aren’t smart enough to interpret it because you don’t have a PHD.

The fraud denied his OWN definition of gain of function research… should we mention the emails? What about when he said masks don’t work? Or when he said the US doesn’t need to worry about COVID?

the guy has misled us enough and quite frankly we have zero reason to believe him anymore.

 

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Yeah and Walter White laundromat business was very successful too… you’re more than welcome to share factual information other than your opinion anytime. But remember you aren’t smart enough to interpret it because you don’t have a PHD.

The fraud denied his OWN definition of gain of function research… should we mention the emails? What about when he said masks don’t work? Or when he said the US doesn’t need to worry about COVID?

the guy has misled us enough and quite frankly we have zero reason to believe him anymore.

You sure do love those strawman arguments.

What’s the definition for gain of function research for viruses that already have gain of function? :huh:

 

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Does anyone know if Phil Valentine is still dead?

 

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Lolololol l believe so