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Josh Allen lolStill waiting for some examples of raw (IE, not good) QBs who came in to the NFL and "developed" in to successful starting QBs.
Anyone?
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Josh Allen lolStill waiting for some examples of raw (IE, not good) QBs who came in to the NFL and "developed" in to successful starting QBs.
Anyone?
There will be some decent backups cut soon. Insee us signing one. I do not believe willis will be number 2. He will be our 3 IMO. Woodside is gone
Tom Brady
Kurt Warner
Brad Johnson
Roger Staubach
Matt Hassebeck
Rich Gannon
Steve beuerlein
Tony Romo
Dave krieg
Mark brunnell
Ala VY. Same thing as far as I’m concerned. Never wanted VY, never thought he would do well at the NFL level and he was much better than Willis is at college.I'm not talking about players that were just overlooked or undervalued in the draft and were surprisingly good in the NFL. I mean players that completely flipped their game after being in the NFL for a couple of years and became long term starters.
Which I don't know the draft eval or career trajectory on all those guys that came in 20+ years ago... Lol
I guess my main point is, it's a long shot that a QB develops at this point in their career...especially someone like Willis who has always been run first, not particularly accurate etc.
Could he possibly win some games? Sure... But I think it would be by him playing HIS game, not turning in to a Tom Brady after sitting for a few years.
VY was miles ahead of Willis in my opinion...and I wasn't a VY fan at all.Ala VY. Same thing as far as I’m concerned. Never wanted VY, never thought he would do well at the NFL level and he was much better than Willis is at college.
the ability to learn and adjust is the key. VY couldn’t which is why his career was so short. He got opportunities because of his draft status, the QB situation, and Bud Adams.
I hope Willis is also given the opportunity to sit and watch (without fans clamoring for an unprepared QB) to develop a NFL level ability.
Time will tell.
I do think most of those QBs listed meet the criteria of struggling at first to dramatically turn their game around BUT it still represents a very small amount of exceptions to the general rule.
While I can understand your point, it’s not realistic for starters. Not every team has a starter and a backup veteran with any experience or at least that experience has shown why they’re a backup.If I was GM, my starting QB would be a first round talent, and my backup would be a veteran with former starting experience. If you want to win championships, the guy that touches the ball on every down has to be elite. If he goes down, you need someone who's been there, done that.
I don't understand "project" QBs. What's the point?
If I was GM, my starting QB would be a first round talent, and my backup would be a veteran with former starting experience. If you want to win championships, the guy that touches the ball on every down has to be elite. If he goes down, you need someone who's been there, done that.
I don't understand "project" QBs. What's the point?
Tom Brady
Kurt Warner
Brad Johnson
Roger Staubach
Matt Hassebeck
While I can understand your point, it’s not realistic for starters. Not every team has a starter and a backup veteran with any experience or at least that experience has shown why they’re a backup.
I'm not talking about players that were just overlooked or undervalued in the draft and were surprisingly good in the NFL. I mean players that completely flipped their game after being in the NFL for a couple of years and became long term starters.
Which I don't know the draft eval or career trajectory on all those guys that came in 20+ years ago... Lol
I guess my main point is, it's a long shot that a QB develops at this point in their career...especially someone like Willis who has always been run first, not particularly accurate etc.
Could he possibly win some games? Sure... But I think it would be by him playing HIS game, not turning in to a Tom Brady after sitting for a few years.
Fitzpatrick 2021 contract - 1 year/$10 mil. Titans don’t have that, most teams don’t have that, and it’s a terrible waste of a lot of salary cap for someone expected to be backup. Very expensive insurance policy (also consider his grand total of zero postseason experience).Of course it's realistic. Every team gets a first round pick, every year. There are dozens of older QBs on the decline that have starting experience. You don't need Tom Brady for a backup. You need a Fitzpatrick/Keenum type player. Someone whose understanding of the game is mature, but their body just can't handle the long season. They can be ready with very little preparation, and can help the starter understand the game.
The perfect model was NcNair/O'Donnell.
So would 31 other teams which is why these guys get expensive but also why there are currently about 15 teams with an issue similar to the titans.Good research. Maybe not dozens, but I'd take any of those guys on your list over a mid-round project rookie for my backup.
Josh Allen is the prime example. Very raw and needed development. Hight risk high reward but it was a hit.I'm not talking about players that were just overlooked or undervalued in the draft and were surprisingly good in the NFL. I mean players that completely flipped their game after being in the NFL for a couple of years and became long term starters.
Which I don't know the draft eval or career trajectory on all those guys that came in 20+ years ago... Lol
I guess my main point is, it's a long shot that a QB develops at this point in their career...especially someone like Willis who has always been run first, not particularly accurate etc.
Could he possibly win some games? Sure... But I think it would be by him playing HIS game, not turning in to a Tom Brady after sitting for a few years.
Josh Allen is the prime example. Very raw and needed development. Hight risk high reward but it was a hit.
Michael Vick had a solid career
Donovan McNab
Heck, even Brett Favre was very raw
I've been thinking for a bit about who to compare Willis to and it's really difficult to come up with an accurate comp in terms of where he's at right now.McNab wasn't really raw, Favre sure was though
Willis is far more raw than any of those you mention
I've been thinking for a bit about who to compare Willis to and it's really difficult to come up with an accurate comp in terms of where he's at right now.
The closest in recent drafts is probably Jalen Hurts, but Jalen was much further along with his footwork and consistency than Willis is.
The counter though is that when looking at other 3rd and later round draft picks in recent years, no one comes close to having the tools Willis has.
The most positive thing he has going (imo) is that he seems to understand and accept that he has a long way to go in terms of his footwork, accuracy, pocket awareness, and overall passing ability in order to compete for a starting job. Accepting that he has deficiencies is a huge step that many guys can't get past.
I think we should all hold our collective breath that he doesn't have to play this year, but then again, he definitely offers more right now than Woodside does.