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So you’ve seen these mocks?
A) why was he going primadonna in Oak? Maybe lack of usage? Probably wouldn’t happen in ten based on the run heavy offense since always.
b) mason had his absolute best year with 1300 yards and 8 TD. Not only is that still well below the regular production Moss had, BUT yes, I think fisher and Ten would find their way to limit him from producing his Minnesota numbers. There’s only a lot of proof in what Tennessee has done with every WR.
He was a prima dona in Minny as well when he had Culpepper. It's a common trait among elite WRs in history. It wasn't a usage problem in Oakland. It was a shitty QB problem. And despite the shitty QB play he still beasted when he was healthy.
Moss was the best red zone threat in the history of the game. On 1 on 1 matchups, you literally threw it up to him in the back of end zone, and he was coming down with the ball probably 70% of the time. If KFC can get 1k yards and 8 TDs out of him on a terrible Oakland team, then McNair absolutely could have got 1300 yards and 10+ TDs out of him consistently.
What do mocks have to do with anything? You're just trolling now.
If we have to settle for the 3rd best OT or reach for someone else like Odunze, all of you win at all costs twats will be bitching to no end.
You’re making this argument like I disagree on Moss’s talent. I put Moss #2 all time as well.
My argument is indictment on Fisher and yes, McNair isn’t capable of all that.
Titans had Mason for 8 years, took a couple years to get going but only reached 1K 4 years, never reached 10 TD and competed with EG27 as the headline. He also didn’t have a cris Carter (and still Robert smith for part of it) if he’d been in Tennessee.
I’ll give a little increase on production, but the outcome of Moss in Oak would be closer than the outcome in Minnesota if he had been in Tennessee.
At this point, it doesn’t seem any arrows are pointing to both Alt and Fashunu being gone.
And with combine hype, I have yet to see breakout T climbs the board but QB, WR, DE, maybe CB.
#7 is likely enough to get 1 of those T.
And, Mason literally disproves your opinion. He was never an elite WR at any point. He was undersized at 5-10 as well. Yet between 01 and 04 he averaged 1200 yards per 16 game season and 8 TDs on 130+ targets. In a run first offense no less. In Moss's best 4 season run in Minny, he averaged 1400 yards and 12 TDs on 160 targets per 16 games.
So absolutely, if an all time WR replaced Mason, you could expect a considerably better improvement than what Mason gave. Whether or not it would be exacty the same as his Minny numbers is irrelevant. He would have been an elite WR regardless. And if you don't think a good QB like McNair could figure out all he needs to do is throw it up and let Moss go get it, then you are a fool.
So absolutely, if an all time WR replaced Mason, you could expect a considerably better improvement than what Mason gave. Whether or not it would be exacty the same as his Minny numbers is irrelevant. He would have been an elite WR regardless. And if you don't think a good QB like McNair could figure out all he needs to do is throw it up and let Moss go get it, then you are a fool.
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What will you say when the designated HOFer is average WR? Remember the Niners giving up 3 first rounders and a 3rd i think for Tre Lance!? He’s been replaced literally by the last man picked- who also happens to be playing next week in the SB.
Most of these mocks likely assume CHI takes a QB. If CHI trades down with Washington to select MHII (which is a real possibility), you can bet the house that MHII and 1 of Alt/Fashanu will be gone before pick 5. Which means we have to hope that both the Chargers and Giants don't select the other OT or trade out of the pick. With the draft capital the Bears already have, and the draft capital they get from a Washington trade, they could easily move in front us. The Jets need a LT as well and are in win now mode. Could easily see them doing that as well.
In either scenario, it isn't as cut and dry as you think. We could easily see MHII, Alt, Fashanu, and Nabers all picked before our pick at 7.
Why does Wash and Chi swapping places, both already ahead of TN change anything?
It’s already expected that MHJ is also gone before 7.
If you’re saying that Chi NOT taking a QB means someone else takes T, I’d argue that history shows that if Chi doesn’t take a QB, then that opens the door for teams to trade up for the QB Chi didn’t take. I don’t see the scenario effecting the T situation.
That's nice. I've broken down the math multiple times about the likelihood of picking of a future pro bowl/AP caliber player in Top 5 vs other areas of the draft. The % is considerably higher in the top. I would rather have a higher % of finding a franchise changing player. And that % changes proportionately the farther back you pick. A 1st round pick is far more likely to turn into a good player vs a 2nd round pick, etc. I mean this is literally common sense.
Or I mean since the Niners drafted Purdy with last pick of the draft maybe we should trade everything away for the last few picks in the draft. I mean great players are found everywhere right? Hell Tony Romo was undrafted. Why even draft any player at all? Let's just sign a shit ton of UDFAs. They are bound to work out since Tony Romo did.
Quite clearly every other teams agrees with my line of thinking. Which is why every team at some point has spent a good amount of draft capital to move up in the draft.
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Right now, the majority of mocks have CHI taking a QB. If they trade down, they clearly aren't taking a QB and they clearly won't be moving out of the top 3. The most logical choice for CHI in that scenario is taking MHII. AZ at that point is more likely to choose Alt/Fashanu than Nabers. That leaves 1 of the elite OTs needing to fall 2 spots to us, with LT needy teams directly behind us as well.
I am not disagreeing with you, of course higher draft picks enjoy a better quality. I just can’t understand wanting to lose.
Even if this is scenario, sounds perfect, 1 of the 2 T is selected by TN.
almost everything I’ve seen to this point has the top 4 picks, regardless of order, as QB, QB, QB, WR.
4/6 picks before TN are not tackle.
So the only concern would be runner runner T.
combine hasn’t happened, plenty of hype around other players, specifically “production” players, even a TE.
You are assuming LA and NY do not select an OT (admitedly unlikely) or that they do not trade out with NY or CHI (much more likely). The Chargers in particular have a good bit of motivation to move further down the draft, given their cap situation.
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I wouldn't call it wanting to lose. I would consider it as a necessary evil. Sort of like cutting your losses on a bad investment. Or cutting off a rotting foot to save the leg. You certainly don't want to do it. But you will be better off in the long run when you do.
Selling my soul for an unknown future doesn’t work for me. Trophy wives don’t pan out usually.