RollTide said:
Got himself into a "pissing contest". Of course this isn't that at all.
You admitted you were wrong
"It may not be aptitude, reading the description and looking at it deeper this morning. It is looking at problem solving ability. Thats also not iq, which is my point. But you're right it probably isnt aptitude. (I have no problem acknowleding mistakes. )
I'm glad you looked into it "deeper" which really means you looked into it at all.
I wouldn't be so hard on you if you didn't come across as some arrogant expert. This is not pure science, the nfl is simply trying to get all the data they can to make the most educated decisions.
We all know the wonderlic is just a 50 question test not a comprehensive IQ exam like the stanford-binet. Still the nfl uses that test and choose that test so we have to consider that.
That post wasn't dripping with venom.
Look Tide,
I've got not prob admitting mistakes. I do make them. Especially on a messageboard where I can post supposition and speculaiton. I'm not trying to write a paper for publication.
As far as comming off as an arrogant expert. If I come off that way I appologize to you and anyone else here. I do have some expertise in the social sciences. I try to share that expertise here if I can.
There are also a lot of things that I don't know. I dont know much about OLine. Which in my post asking about them I said as much and openly asked for input.
As far as these tests go, I do have some expertise. When it comes to the "racial remarks" as you have deemed them, my comments were backed up by precedent- not racism. Standardized tests have a history of being culturally biased. So that two individuals of equal intelliengence but different racial/cultural backgrounds come out with systematically different scores. This has happened on IQ tests, aptitude tests, and achievement tests. Its even led ppl in the past to make some serious faulty conclusions about the differences in ability between different racial groups. I was just commenting that could be happening on the Wonderlic, because I saw a group of individuals who I would guess were of at least average intelligence scoring lower than the average. Now they were right about one standard deviation of the mean, so that increased my sense that something systemic was happening.
You've also challenged my effort in researching the wonderlic. On one hand you're right. I didn't do a lot of research on my first post. It was around midnight and rumor had just gotten out. I was a bit excited and all the posters were calling VY an idiot. Even if he scored badly on this test he wouldn't be an idiot. But you're right in that I posted something hasty. I thought, since this is a messageboard not a publication, that would be ok...obviously not.
Lastly, I didn't do a lot of research on the wonderlic because the type of research that would really help is not available on the internet. Who it has been normed on, what did it correlate with, who designed it, etc etc. That information I would have to get from large libraries- I dont care that much. The information that was available was the marketing page of the consulting company. As a rule I tend to ignore those. But you found some solid info there- cool. Messageboard, discussion- the process does work.
Lastly, I really enjoy good debates. I like your arguements because they are well thought out- but just leave out the inflammatory stuff. Its just irritating, because then i dont feel like debating the topic. Thanks for your posts.
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