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He’s probably already had another heart attack from watching.Pees probably can’t look at the games on 3rd down now.
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He’s probably already had another heart attack from watching.Pees probably can’t look at the games on 3rd down now.
Well if pass rush is supposed to get sacks, hurries and pressures and they fail at all 3, are you telling me the pass rush is fine?
2018 season (2/3 seasons however you look at it, you knew exactly what I was talking about), arguably the best secondary in the league.
As far as knock downs, it clearly isn’t producing anything so who cares? They aren’t hurrying the QB, they aren’t sacking the QB, they aren’t pressuring the QB, so what does a knock down do?
“Dead last in 2019 and 25th in 2018” at what? What stat are you referencing here for the secondary?
They shouldve promoted Coombs to DC to keep him.Also safe to say that Kerry Coombs was vastly under-appreciated while here.
Along with Logan Ryan.
Ryan was slipping in ability, but he was QB of the secondary- and got dudes in the gym killing it during the offseason. That leadership can't be taught.
What does knockdowns in 2019 or 2018 have to do with the secondary?You can’t even answer the question!!! You really are sleepy HT. Guess what you have to do to get a QB knockdown? PRESSURE THE QB!!!! It’s a relevant stat because it shows we are literally within a half second of a sack.
I told you they were dead last in QB knockdowns and 25th in 2018.
Until you can provide a legitimate answer to the question I am done with this conversation because you are bringing no value to this discussion. You are just ignoring and not answering legitimate questions being asked.
Also you said the Titans had the BEST secondary in the league that year. Not arguably. You said the best. Don’t try and change your words now.
What does knockdowns in 2019 or 2018 have to do with the secondary?
If anything, being the Near the bottom at it and having such a good secondary in 2018 helps my point. The argument of what held the team back was pass rush.
You can capitalize “pressure the QB” all you want in reference to knockdowns, but pressure has its own stat in which the titans suck at.
Bottom line, spending big on a secondary (which is where this all started) with out a pass rush, which is a huge titans problem, doesn’t fix the D.
We’re going in circles again.The difference between where we were on knockdowns in 2018-2019 and now should be telling about our pass rush now vs then.
It’s been explained already why our pressures and sacks are low. Knocking down the QB is more important than just pressuring the QB. The titans pass rush is close to getting sacks. Just need the coverage told hold longer.
Until you are willing to answer the questions and have legitimate conversation, I’m done here. Good day.
It's no secret this is our weak link and might be the piece that keeps us from making a deep run. I look at some advanced stats to try and figure out what the real issue is.
Kevin Byard was the first guy I looked at. He has been very quiet this year and hasn't been the playmaker he was when we signed him to the big deal.
Byard's missed tackle % has spiked from 2.3% last year (2 missed tackles all year) to 13.5% this year. He's already missed 5 tackles this season. He's also been targeted 16 times allowing 11 catches for 98 yards and a TD. Passer rating of 105.7. Now with no INT's the passer rating is going to be higher and most of Byard's picks come off of errant throws or tipped passes (which is the same for most safeties). However, in 2018 Byard allowed around 50% of the passes throw his way to be completed. This year it's at 68%. The INT's will probably come, but Byard has got to be better at tackling and in coverage.
Kenny Vaccaro has also had his struggles tackling this year. He has already missed more tackles this season (6) than he missed in both 2018 & 2019 (4 both years). Missed tackle % is 13.6% this season (4.5% last year). Coverage really hasn't changed much for him. He allowed around 70% completion last year and it is the same this year (note it was 53% in 2018 though). 114.7 passer rating allowed last season and 125.4 this year so far (79.9 in 2018). 20 targets 14 catches for 152 yards and 2 TD's 0 INT's.
Malcom Butler is actually off to his best start as a Titan so far, but that's in large part to the 2 INT game vs the Bill's. Completion % is down from 63% last year to 60% this year. Passer rating allowed is 79.4 which is way down from 91.3 last year and 101.4 in 2018. Butler is also the 2nd most targeted player in the NFL and the Titans have already had their bye week. Butler has allowed 31 catches on 51 targets for 366 yards 2 TD's and 2 INT's.
Jonathon Joseph is actually having a decent season allowing under 50% completion and a 94.7 passer rating. However, he has been susceptible to giving up bigger gains giving up over 16 yards per completion. 31 targets allowing 15 catches for 249 yards 3 TD's and 1 INT.
Fulton has a small sample size but he has been meh so far. But limited offseason and covid, plus injuries have probably hurt his progression a bit this year. 14 targets allowing 10 catches for 134 yards 1 TD and 1 INT. However, he has missed 16.7% of his tackles.
Not gonna spend much time on Chris Jackson or Tye Smith. It's been bad. Jackson has allowed 16 catches on 20 targets (80%) for 154 yards 1 TD. Tye has limited action as well but it's been ugly. 11 targets 9 catches (81%) for 91 yards 2 TD's.
Rashaan Evans has actually been our best LB to this point. Not only does he have 1 missed tackle so far this year (2.8% missed tackle % down from 13.3 last year), but he is allowing a 76.8 passer rating against so far this year. He's been targeted 13 times allowing 8 catches (61.5%) for 73 yards and 0 TD's. Last year Evans gave up a 86.7% completion and a 112.5 passer rating.
Jayon has been another regression candidate. Last year after he posted 77.1 passer rating against (67.1 in 2018) he's all the way up to 94.1 this year. He didn't allow a single TD in 2018 or 2019 and this year he's already allowed 2. His missed tackle percentage (8.5%) is up slightly from last year (5.4%) but still lower than it was in 2018 (9.3%) so nothing to be overly worried about.
I'll make another post breaking down our pass rusher and defensive line later today.
How can the Titans pull off a midseason defensive turnaround?
Echos a lot of what has been written in this thread. In addition, the article demonstrates that in some aspects, the defensive scheme the Titans are employing makes no sense. The example they give is blitzing seven to avoid a quick throw, but then have the corners playing 10 yards off. That example is something we have seen a lot of this season, even when they do not blitz, the corners are playing way too far off.
In the 2nd half of the Steelers game, that was an adjustment that the Titans defense made as the corners were playing a bit closer. Combine that with pressure being put Ben's way and that lead to the defense having much more success.
The biggest hope for this defense when Adoree returns is that it allows the corners to play a bit closer than having to be 10 or more yards off the LOS
YESSo who deserves the most blame???
Coverage?
Pass rush?
Or coaching?
Agreed. I loved the Coombs hire when it first happened, and was real bummed when he left. Massive blow, as was losing Pees. Not bringing in a proper DC was an awful decision. Really hurting out season.Coombs is a huge blow no doubt. I think our coaching quality on Defense is below last year. Pees and Coombs were not replaced with coaches on the same level (or at all).
The defense not only bad but also can’t catch a break. When we have great coverage the wideouts make incredible catches, sure sacks are now great escapes by qbs. Has to be frustrating beyond belief
FWIW Vrable denied ANY halftime adjustments vs stoolers... claims team just played better - LOL.... rightReally demonstrates that the major 2nd half adjustment was moving the corners in closer to the LOS and sending more pressure on third down. The other bonus was the tackling improved
Scheme wise, that has to be the adjustment Vrabel and Bowen make. Bring the corners in a little bit closer on third down so that the QB can't just git rid of it in 2 seconds to a receiver who can easily get YAC for a first down due to the secondary being so far off.