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i know its done, im just saying its bad. if you are taking someone in the first, your goal shouldn't be to have him as a 2. its how you end up with a John Ross, looking for some nitch player to fill a role or something.
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teams definitely draft lifetime 2's
Both the Dyson brothers for example... No one would ever have penciled those 2 in as 1's predraft
Minus Larry Fitzgerald the entire 2004 WR class were picked knowing good and well those guys would never become 1's
as I said, I think he can be the #1 still.but we don't *really* have a 1 though. the last 6 games he didn't once break 50 yards, and only scored once.
Right before that, he shredded the #1 CB in the league. Then Mariota hurt something elsebut we don't *really* have a 1 though. the last 6 games he didn't once break 50 yards, and only scored once.
I think CD is built for the 1 role and still believe it's his. I'm looking for a 2. I don't think there are any 1's in the draft. No sure-fire 1's anyways.
Also MOST desean jackson-types dont work out so I'd rather not risk it. Doubt anyone is gonna be the next desean.
last year Jrob went heavy heavy on defense in the draft, didnt address offense whatsoever, didnt really address it in FA either. At some point this draft, he is gonna get a pass catcher.If none of these guys are #1's, why draft a wr in round 1? Plenty of #2 types available in round 2, no?
All wr's with limitations need to be used correctly to be successful. My concern with taking one of these wr types is whether I can count on our coaching staff to put them into the best position to succeed. Easier to draft a DT who can do almost anything or a DE or a do anything TE.
Any concern on taking a #2 WR in a draft loaded with first round caliber D talent we'd be passing up?
Marquise Brown almost has the game of Desean's, but his frame is so tiny. Brown 5'9" 166 vs Jackson's 6'0 178
TBH NONE of these comps are right IMO, these NFL media scouts screwing with us for clicks.
Theres 2, Harry and Brownbecause we already have a 1 and need someone to fill the wr2 role?
and as I said... i dont think theres a 1 in the draft. not a legit one, anyways.
I do not understand how Corey Coleman , Laquan Treadwell, and Josh Doctson went in the first, yet these two aren't mocked to go there. They are both safe picks and will be productive. And Deebo Samuel. If he didn't have injury issues, he'd be an awesome prospect.Theres 2, Harry and Brown
I do not understand how Corey Coleman , Laquan Treadwell, and Josh Doctson went in the first, yet these two aren't mocked to go there. They are both safe picks and will be productive. And Deebo Samuel. If he didn't have injury issues, he'd be an awesome prospect.
WR is a tough position to evaluate. But these guys aren't. They could absolutely be #1 guys, but at the very least, you're getting productive receivers who have play making ability.It only takes one team to like a player and boom he’s a forest round pick. A lot of ppl thought Coleman was a 2nd round player but he was shifty and had a lot of yac...but he did t run many routes but someone thought they could turn him into AB. Bad idea. Tread well was at least a top wr before his bad injury so many thought he’d bounce back a couple years later. The exact same arguments gore Doctson being a first round pick are being made gore Harry...he’ll just box them out and beat them with his superior catching ability. Who cares if he can get open!
What do you mean Harry and Brown are safe picks? Do you think they are #1 type wrs? Why Orr why not?
WR is a tough position to evaluate.
They could absolutely be #1 guys, but at the very least, you're getting productive receivers who have play making ability.
I did not like Doctson at all. He's not comparable to Harry in any way. You have to look at traits
He's not a straight line speed runner, which seems to be what you are primarily focused on.
But he's sudden and explosive for his size , which you are going to see translate to an NFL route tree, a opposed the go routes they primarily ran in college.
You're right, he could fall into the 2nd while teams are infatuated with athletic duds like Metcalf and Brown. But I would take the receiver who actually displays an NFL skillset, which Harry does. His athleticism reminds me a lot of Juju, just bigger and better IMO.
15 of the top 20 WRs last year weren't drafted in the first round. It really is not one of the easier positions to evaluate.Actually, it's one of the easier positions to evaluate.
Based on what?
What traits are you meaning besides what I've already said? He has the height/size, an alpha dog mentality and can make spectacular catches. What other above average traits does he have?
I'm less concerned with pure speed than I am with guys who consistently get OPEN and CATCH the ball. Harry is great at catching the ball...just not at getting open. Metcalf is better at getting open, but not nearly as good at catching the ball. Easier to refine catching skills with an explosive athlete. Can't teach a good athlete to become great very easily. But either way can be highly successful...but can also bust. Both are projections.
I haven't tracked his route tree in college, but he ran other routes too. What evidence do you have that he is explosive and sudden for his size? These are the two things most people are down on him about (and most likely why he won't run a 3 cone or 20 yd shuttle).
Well, Juju is what you HOPE Harry becomes...but Schuster also wasn't the #1 wr on his team. It's a lot easier when you have AB drawing a lot of coverage, an excellent OL and a Pro Bowl QB throwing the ball. And Pitt has a nice track record of developing wr's for quite a while now. But Schuster had a lot of the same issues coming out of college. He needed to learn to run better routes to get open. He did that...but that's also why he went in round 2. When you have to learn something that important, it doesn't make you a first round draft pick. Could Harry become that good? Yes. Can Marquise Brown be the next Desean Jackson? Yes. Can Metcalf become Calvin Johnson-lite? Yes. But that's their ceiling. Metcalf has the best ceiling, but also the lowest floor. I don't think we want a guy who we don't know if he'll be able to get open or not...at least not in round 1.
15 of the top 20 WRs last year weren't drafted in the first round. It really is not one of the easier positions to evaluate.
As far as being sudden and explosive for his size, this is what I mean:
Look how he breaks the CB's ankles on the route here:
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And Metcalf isn't good at separating. He's good at knocking the CB out of the way and running downfield. Harry does the same thing here:
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He's as clean a prospect as you can find